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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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Looking bad from first result from leeds
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Labour gubbed particularly in Scotland. SNP doing well but jeez, the Brexiteers have been out in force up here too.
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The results for P and K are:
Change UK 899
Conservative 9856
Green Party 3698
Labour 1518
Lib Dem 7350
SNP 18,116
The Brexit Party 8088
UKIP 770
Gordon Edgar (Ind) 202
Ken Parke (Ind) 62Total number of spoiled ballots 187
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New BBC Scotland channel is doing a Euro special. Ross Greer looking happy that Greens in London got a seat.
Tories claiming that Brexit Party votes are proxy votes for the new Tory party when their new extreme(ly useless) leader is elected. Ha ha ha!Of course Western Isles result won't come in till tomorrow but they will be able to estimate.
Northern Ireland won't declare till tomorrow.Posted 4 years ago # -
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Labour takes 6th place in Edinburgh.
Greens 3rd?Posted 4 years ago # -
David Martin expected to not get a seat.
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The Conservative and Unionist party have 3 MEPs as do the SNP.
Ordinarily that might provoke a response - but as UKGov is effectively leaderless we might have to wait.
The 'colonel' will have something to say I expect!Posted 4 years ago # -
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I'm completely depressed this morning, if you add up all of the Brexit parties (inc Labour and Tory, not just the hard brexit ones), they get over 55% of the vote.
Brexiter Corbyn's silence is deafening - we can unite the people he says - while the rest of his party screams at him that they need to become a remain party.
I've never been a Labour supporter, but without them the UK will be lost to Brexit. Thornby gave a +ve message about campaigning for a peoples vote as a remain party last night, as have other senior Labour politicians.
If Corbyn doesn't listen he needs to be ousted to save the country.
*edit: that's assuming not all of the Labour remain'ers switched to Lib Dem or SNP. If they did we're doomed regardless..
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the UK will be lost to Brexit
Will be?
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'Will be?'
There was some hope it would have been a softer landing, but alas I've feared for a long time that we were accidentally stumbling towards a no deal exit. After last night that now seems even more likely than ever.
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“I'm completely depressed this morning”
Just due to Brexit/election results?
There are more important things to get depressed about!
Meanwhile life goes on (good and bad).
I know someone (moderately senior civil servant) who claimed over 30 years ago that he’d ‘given up reading papers/watching the news’.
Of course I thought this was immensely ‘uncivic’, but he was probably just ahead of his time!
No-one seems bothered that about 60% of potential voters didn’t vote.
Don’t even need to leave the house these days.
Politics and the media attention it gets is most entertaining (or bleakly soul-destroying), working out which bits matter is more problematic.
The old “think global, act local’ has more resonance than ever.
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Inevitable now, surely?
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“I've feared for a long time that we were accidentally stumbling towards a no deal exit. After last night that now seems even more likely than ever.”
Clearly there are people who think this is a good idea.
Why they think so is open to multiple misinterpretations.
Of course there isn’t a unified version of “no deal exit” any more than “brexit means brexit” made any certain sense.
I got this yesterday -
“The mate we are staying with in Haarlem reckons 300 big firms have moved there due to brexit”
So already the effects of the EU Referendum are real. Brexit has happened.
In GDP terms the UK is likely to get worse off (of course many CCEers understand that fetishising GDP is a part of the problem) but if people no longer wish to come here to work on farms, in hospitals, care homes, hospitality establishments, fulfilment warehouses etc. the result will cause more problems than a few % on financial figures.
The next 10 years, and more, will be full of ‘of course if only we’d left/sooner/better/etc. we would be in this mess’.
Let’s just blame the wrong sort of politicians.
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“I'm completely depressed this morning”Just due to Brexit/election results?
There are more important things to get depressed about!
"We'll yes, turn of phrase, maybe exaggerated a bit, managed to get out of bed today - though just, watching too much telly last night!
Your right that either way life will go on, and for most, mostly the same as before, with a bit more annoyance round the edges. But for some there will be real, and longer term, perhaps even life changing consequences...
'...30 years ago that he’d ‘given up reading papers/watching the new [news/social media]...'
There is some utility in that, these days we're living through an experiment in how to deal with the internet which is affecting people, and influencing their views more profoundly than ever the news did...
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My history teacher used to say it was about the parrot who swallowed a clock (poly-ticks) but I'm starting to wonder if it was an old school time bomb in the parrot.
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Meh! This just shows you what has been obvious for some time: A significant proportion of the UK popultation want out of Europe. They are close to being a majority but it isn't clear that they still are.
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There's also the issue of their "want out of Europe" being a bit like "only want to inhale the 21% of the air which is oxygen".
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'Wanting out of Europe' is a lovely way of putting it. Perfectly feasible and utterly impossible at once.
Can anyone think of a plausible set of events that avoids the UK of GB&NI leaving the EU chaotically at 23h00 on the 31st of October? I can't.
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“Inevitable now, surely?”
Hard B?
Depends.
Not clear (to me) if HoC can actually block it past October.
New EU Parliament may be happy to give UK another extension.
May not be.
What IS a No Deal Brexit?
Seems deals have been done to keep plans (EDIT, interesting slip!) planes flying (one of many ‘it’ll be a disaster’ scenarios).
Blue passports already being printed in France (did I make that up?)
Only the rich will be able to afford Champagne and BMWs (business as usual then).
Not being pro-Brexit at all. I’m sure things will get worse for more people than it will get better for - continuation of last 10 years (which actually had a lot to do with a lot of people wanting ‘out of Europe’, ‘ make our own laws’ etc.)
What I want to know is whatever happened to the massive slush fund that would be the Brexit Dividend when we were no longer ‘paying the EU and getting nothing back’?
Obviously the slogan on the bus was a lie, but is there no longer ANY cash bonus for leaving???
Of course a bigger question is why is no-one promising to spend significant sums to prevent people needing the NHS?
This year’s good cause is ‘spend more on mental health’. Little sign it would be particularly beneficial (not saying it’s not needed) minimal signs of policies/money to reduce stress, insecurity etc. etc.
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A significant proportion of the UK population want out of Europe.
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A significant proportion of the Scottish population want to stay in Europe.Policies need to reflect this result surely? Otherwise why bother voting.
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“Otherwise why bother voting“
Most people didn’t.
Seems to be a universal acceptance they don’t count.
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“Most people didn’t“
I might be wrong about that.
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Turnout was at the highest in 20 years, at 50.5 percent, according to preliminary figures from across all 28 member states - bucking the trend of a steady decline since the elections were first held in 1979. The last time Europeans cast their vote, in 2014, turnout stood 42.6 percent.
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It’s fine though.
Nothing to do with most of us anymore.
Leave to children and grandchildren.
If they don’t sort it out, that’s their lookout.
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