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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)

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  • Started 8 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. I were right about that saddle
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    The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is disintegrating in front of us.

    I wish I could find that video of a tank driving over the top of baffled rush-hour traffic in Zagreb in 1991.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. CycleAlex
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    I do hope active travel funding is ring-fenced when the revolution comes.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    We shall have no choice comrade. We will have eaten all the donkeys.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. CycleAlex
    Member

    At least we won't have any more TRO hearings once civilisation falls.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. chdot
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    With a looming Brexit deadline in October and growing European distrust of Britain’s inclination to meet outstanding obligations, the standoff may resemble the dynamics of the UK’s negotiations to leave the EU.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/04/uk-facing-eu-outrage-over-timebomb-of-north-sea-oil-rigs

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. LaidBack
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    Joanna Cherry QC MP
    @joannaccherry
    Boris Johnson secretly agreed to suspend parliament 2 weeks before denying it wd happen. Just 9 days ago No.10 strongly denied any intention to #prorogue parliament - but disclosure to Scottish court shows otherwise

    This transitory PM supported by all Scottish Tory MPs - assume as they don't want to be called 'traitors' by their colleagues. (See many such responses to Ruth D tweet above).

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1168856221887205376

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. chdot
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    If that’s right, it is surely the most high-risk electoral strategy ever attempted in this country. It knowingly alienates moderate Tory voters who have always quite liked, say, Ken Clarke, thereby writing off a string of seats – in the south and the West Country – that are likely to fall to the Liberal Democrats. It similarly dooms the Tories in Scotland. So Johnson will begin the next election campaign with that immediate handicap. The Cummings plan is to make up for those lost seats, and gain many more, by winning pro-leave seats in the Midlands and north of England, many of them Labour-held, chiefly by neutralising the Brexit party. Why vote for Nigel Farage when you can get a no-deal, full-monty Brexit with Johnson?

    The trouble with that is,

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/04/boris-johnson-electoral-gamble-wreck-tory-party

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. neddie
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    No need to worry. The most important issues are sorted.

    We will have Lego.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49563758

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. LaidBack
    Member

    Court of Session case ruled that BJ had right to porogue parliament at first instance.
    This is not the end as Joanna Cherry & Co will appeal. They've had to do this on previous occasions and ended up winning. Of course by time they get final ruling a lot will have happened. (Or not)
    Seems an odd result when Lord Doherty granted an interim ruling. So at one stage it's important enough to have a sworn statement from BJ but a few days later it's considered a purely political matter for a state with no written constitution.
    When Scotland does get more self rule then we must have a working WC:-)
    Gina Miller's case starts in London tomorrow Will legal ruling here have any effect there?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. Frenchy
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    When Scotland does get more self rule then we must have a working WC

    We'd be up the proverbial creek without one, anyway.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
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    Ms Cherry's case was based exclusively on Scots law and in particular the 1689 Act of Claim of Right. It was heard in a court not set up by the Crown but by the Scottish parliament.

    No link to the Common Law case in a Crown court which takes place in another country.

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  12. chdot
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  13. minus six
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    my ferret will be livid at the prospect of missing the upcoming jaunt to prague

    sorry chum, but boris don't care if you self-identify as a european polecat

    its whitby, torquay or margate from now on

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. LaidBack
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    @iwrats - Scottish court is not subservient to the Crown as you say.
    The appeal is being made tomorrow. Not sure where it goes from there. Article 50 case one ended up in Luxembourg after a hearing in London.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. remberbuck
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    @iwrats the Petitioners' case is wholly based on the application of UK law. The Claim of Right was pleaded in support but swiftly dropped when Lord Doherty, properly, requested a more recent precedent,

    The Court of Session was established by the Scottish Crown, being an evolution from the Crown's counsel.

    The First Minister currently appoints the judiciary, on recommendation, but that is quite far from establishing the Court.

    As any lawyer will tell you.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Interesting. I'd no idea there was such a thing as UK law.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. remberbuck
    Member

    Anything, for example, passed by the UK parliament?

    Though it may be tested in the English, Irish, or Scots Courts.

    (Income tax, which has the largest body of legislation and upper court case law of any subject, is the cleanest example, being passed in its entirety by the post Union parliament).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. chdot
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    According to a leaked diplomatic note seen by the Financial Times, Mr Barnier said: “we are currently in a state of paralysis”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/05/brexit-lords--blow--boris-johnson-pass-bill-stopping-no-deal-politics-live?page=with:block-5d70d4fb8f0891025b4483d4#block-5d70d4fb8f0891025b4483d4

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. LaidBack
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    One for Radio 4 listeners.
    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1169507341215158272?s=19

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. unhurt
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    https://twitter.com/mdouganlpool/status/1169541693764526080?s=09

    "Briefings for Johnson's speech later today merely confirm what we all know already: it will be yet another torrent of lies, fantasies, abuse and scapegoating...

    But the point of such massive, systematic, conscious dishonesty isn't actually to convince people that "night is day". The real aim is to undermine the citizen's sense of / faith in the very idea of truth, probity, evidence, rational analysis...

    The result of such post-truth populism? Trust noone because "they're all the same". Substitute instincts and beliefs for facts and evaluation. Grow indifferent to the gross abasement of our politics and public discourse."

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. chdot
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    It also warned that “difficult trading conditions”, particularly in the event of a no-deal Brexit, might leave it without sufficient cash to deliver its three-year rescue plan.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/06/philip-greens-retail-empire-faces-uncertain-future-without-new-funds

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. chdot
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  23. I were right about that saddle
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    Boris Johnson calls David Cameron 'girly swot' in leaked note

    The man is malignant.

    Posted 4 years ago #
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  27. unhurt
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    Some Twitter discussion suggesting that the only possible slogan for a Revoke campaign is surely Make It Stop .

    Posted 4 years ago #
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