"Just a game for Boris which he likes to win by changing the rules half way thru"
I've never thought of Johnson as James T. Kirk and Brexit as the Kobayashi Maru...
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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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The only way to win is not to play? Clever.
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All I want for BreXmas is (?)
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One way or another it needs to be resolved.
I'd prefer a people's vote to sort Brexit followed by a GE to prioritise issues which have been hanging for the last 3 years.
I'm not sure either poll would give me what I want, but it would at least provide a view on what the country wants.
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With a multi-party system in a polarised multi-nation state majoritarian voting will likely result in at least two thirds of the votes cast having no effect on the outcome.
Westminster elections are completely hopeless and little more than a roll of the dice, especially now that electoral law has effectively fallen into abeyance.
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Scotland starts a democratic experiment this weekend to resolve some of these gritty issues that get lost in parliamentary politics with the Citizens Assembly, and at least some of its sessions will be live streamed so others can watch. It worked well in the Republic in helping them move on from an assumed impasse over abortion and equal marriage. When ordinary folk got a chance to really listen and question experts, they moved the agenda on. (One of the co-convenors is at least an occasional cyclist)
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Their Article 50 period has been extended to the 31st of January next year.
The Brits haven't a clue. Not a vestige.
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Brexit: beyond satire.
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December election may now happen. Labour have decided that doing nothing vigorously will not work.
The idea that EU would extend the January extension so that weather would improve would be stretching British exceptionalism too far..
https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1189163341098442752?s=19SNP are going to try to amend so EU residents can vote. Hope it gets support.
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It just gets worse and worse and worse. The election will be a disaster.
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On the post-Brexit transition period being extended, he said he could see “no reason whatever” for that to happen as the trade negotiations with the EU “should be extremely simple”.
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The UK of GB&NI apparently being determined to travel alone to Indignitas, Ireland ponders what may come next...
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Replacement of European Structural Funds post EU-Exit: consultation
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https://www.gov.scot/publications/replacement-european-structural-funds-scotland-post-eu-exit/
Bit late??
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Gove told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme:
I’ve got a lot of respect and affection for David but I think in this one particular area he’s wrong because what we have is a Brexit deal that’s been negotiated, a withdrawal agreement which will make sure we safeguard the rights of UK citizens abroad and EU citizens in the UK and also a political declaration that spells out a future relationship based on free trade and friendly cooperation.
Updated at 8.46am GMT
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Boris Johnson has opened up a 14-point poll lead over Labour after Nigel Farage’s decision to pull Brexit Party candidates out of Tory-held seats.
A YouGov survey for The Times puts the Conservatives on 42 per cent, Labour on 28 per cent and the Liberal Democrats on 15 per cent.
It is the first time Mr Johnson’s party has been on more than 40 per cent in YouGov’s standard national polling since February, when the Brexit Party was officially launched by Mr Farage.
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Unsurprisingly, the SMMT’s boss, Mike Hawes, warned that the industry was most worried about “the continued threat of a no-deal Brexit”, which is said to have caused “international investment to stall” and cost hundreds of millions of pounds, “money that would have better been spent in meeting the technological challenges facing the global industry”.
Hawes’s comments dovetail with a different announcement from earlier this month, when Tesla’s chief executive, Elon Musk, said that the electric carmaker would be building its first major European factory on the outskirts of Berlin. “Brexit made it too risky to put a Gigafactory in the UK,” the entrepreneur said, to the delight of Remain campaigners.
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How does he feel about the fact that Question Time under his watch was routinely pilloried for giving Nigel Farage a platform greater than his stridency perhaps merited?
“That wasn’t an editorial choice by Question Time, but by the BBC,” he says. “It was laid down that after Ukip got the seats in the European parliament, we had to have them on a certain number of times a year. I think probably the mistake was that it was nearly always Farage – but the problem was that there didn’t seem to be anyone else from Ukip who could string two words together.”
He concedes that the booking system for the Question Time audience also favoured those people prepared to shout loudest. “We want people with something to say. [So] it’s a contrivance, it inevitably plays to people with strong views. But outside Question Time I don’t think people are so angry – they have many more important things on their minds. And that encourages me to think that we are not falling apart.”
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A big challenge will be winning over scepticism in Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales.
Union Jack fireworks over Glasgow anybody?
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An imaginary tale of two countries...
I had this dream where Scotland's pro Brexit vote had gone to the LibDems. People had rallied round Jo Swinson so she could lead all our countries into a glorious future of a united UKEU. Her promise was that we could all get back to that 'settled' period of just after IndyRef1 and pre-EUref and never have any more refs again (except a confirmatory one perhaps!?).
In my strange dream the massive Scottish pro LibDem vote meant we had 47 LibDem MPs here but the rUK still went to the Conservatives. People in England just found Jo too hard to fully believe - partly due to her cancel Article 50 promise. Of course in Scotland this was a massive vote winner as 63%+ wanted to remain. Papers like the New European remarked on how unfair it was and organised a march in Glasgow where upwards of 50,000 people turned up in the pouring rain. Willie Rennie made a stirring speech... the crowd demanded the vote in Scotland was respected.
On hearing this the colonial chief of Scotland simply said that even if every one of Scotland's 59 seats had been won by the LibDems it would not matter. Furthermore even if the Holyrood elections of 2021 again showed the Scots voted for the pro European LibDems the government would take no notice.
It was simply a matter of democracy...
A dream but it does make you wonder how people in this part of Britain should express their opinion if their votes alter nothing.
Across the water NI has Stormont up and running which is a good thing of course. Arlene Foster having survived the 'cash for ash' scandal is now looking for more money (whatever happened to DUP funding?)Ian Murray - sole Labour MP in Scotland - has objected to an English Labour MP writing in National about the union and Indyref2.
Murray is of course hopeful about becoming deputy Labour leader. It has been said it is very unlikely that anyone holding a Scottish seat will ever be PM again as Westminster excludes Scottish MPs voting on England only matters (aka EVEL).Posted 4 years ago # -
how people in this part of Britain should express their opinion if their votes alter nothing
The British have a long history of provoking people into violence for their own political ends or just through absolute neglect and arrogance. I certainly hope we can follow Gandhi's lead and overcome them through non-violence. They've been clear that voting won't do it.
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