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BBC Scotland Investigates: Car Sick

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  • Started 9 years ago by crowriver
  • Latest reply from HankChief

  1. crowriver
    Member

    "
    Just what is coming out of your car's exhaust and what is it doing to your health? The VW diesel emissions scandal has highlighted how little we know about cars and air pollution. But there are increasing claims and evidence that traffic pollution could be a major contributor to heart attacks and strokes, as well as asthma. Car use is also blamed for encouraging less active lifestyles, and contributing to the obesity epidemic. David Miller asks whether our love affair with the car is damaging our health, and reveals how little is being done to cut emissions on the street

    "

    BBC1 Scotland, Monday, 7.30pm.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06wgw4d

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. dougal
    Member

    "David Miller asks whether our love affair with the car is damaging our health"

    You know, I think I can answer this. Can anyone else take a guess?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. Min
    Member

    I am afraid that what looks like a statement from the Department of the Bleedin' Obvious to us is likely to come as a shock to the majority of the nation's car owners. :-/

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "likely to come as a shock to the majority of the nation's car owners"

    Except that they are in denial (or don'tcareatal).

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. Min
    Member

    Very true.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. acsimpson
    Member

    I suspect there is a good amount of othering involved too.

    "I need to use my car but if everyone else would just drive less it wouldn't be a problem"

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

  8. LaidBack
    Member

    EU limit though. UKIP might say.... Londoners must have the right to poison their environment free from outside interference.
    Bejing is a good example of how that looks!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    NOT tonight (bounced by Bowie)

    Wednesday - 7:30

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    Mikael Colville Andersen was on Radio Scotland at lunchtime speaking to John Beattie about increasing cycle use for commutes. News co-presenter still thought that urban cyclists look vulnerable.
    Well, when you're inside a car everything does.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    JB has a Brompton.

    No idea how much he uses it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

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    A documentary screened by the BBC last night found that only 13 of Scotland’s 32 local authorities carry out roadside emissions testing. The tests involve diesel vehicles revving their engines and in petrol vehicles, sample probes being inserted into exhaust tailpipes. Drivers can be issued with fixed penalty notices if they fail the tests, though the fine is waived if drivers have the defect fixed within two weeks

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/lack-of-roadside-emissions-tests-a-sign-of-complacency-greens-1-3998511

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    Don't think it was actually aired last night?

    There was an extract on the news.

    Derek McKay said something along the lines of "investing £39m in active travel". The reporter challenged him, saying it was only about 1% the entire travel budget.

    Our esteemed Transport Minister looked slightly baffled and just said "Yes, but £39m is £39m", comprehensively answering the point.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Don't think it was actually aired last night?"

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=15885#post-208141

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    "Our esteemed Transport Minister looked slightly baffled"

    Clearly not used to such scrutiny. Presumably the media don't usually bother him about such issues. Maybe he was expecting some hard questions about why the A9 could't be dualled faster?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. Min
    Member

    Don't think it was actually aired last night?

    Nice to see the EEN is on the ball as always..

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Most councils fail to test vehicle emissions

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35112011

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. crowriver
    Member

    From the above link:

    "The Scottish government said its "vision" was to ensure Scotland had the best air quality in Europe"

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

    "...and it has argued that local authorities had a key role to play."

    Quelle surprise.

    "Yet some senior councillors told the BBC they were struggling to cope with the impact of the Scottish government's road building programme, and lacked the resources they need to make a real difference.
    It is claimed Scotland spent just £3m fighting air pollution last year, while investing £700m on building new roads."

    Indeed, well pointed out.

    Alas:

    'When questioned about the low uptake of emissions testing powers, Transport Minister Derek Mackay said: "I think that emissions and clean air is certainly more of a topic now than it was before, and I hope that local authorities reflect on that.
    "We've had a consensual debate in parliament about actions that should be undertaken, and that now has to work its way through local government as well.
    "There are a range of powers that can be deployed to make an impact locally, and I'd encourage leaders to take this very seriously." '

    Mr Mackay seems to be even more brazen in passing the buck than his predecessor! He tested this approach with his attitude to active travel infrastructure, now it's a similar story with reducing pollution: "Nowt to do with me, speak to that lot over there."

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  19. neddie
    Member

    It is claimed Scotland spent just £3m fighting air pollution last year, while investing £700m on building new roads.

    Note the (BBC's) choice of language as well...

    It's 'spending' when it comes to pollution, but 'investing' when it comes to building roads

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Why no emissions testing?

    The state of the city’s roads is way beyond a joke, but there’s something even more disturbing about them.

    In a programme called Car Sick tomorrow night, the BBC will allege – correctly, I can personally verify – that Edinburgh council has never used its powers to test vehicle emissions.

    Why, since we have some of the most polluted streets in Scotland?

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/martin-hannan-city-needs-firm-tourism-strategy-1-3998597

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. Colonies_Chris
    Member

    Would it realy be worthwhile a council investing in this sort of vehicle emissions testing? It seems likely to me that few individual vehicles exceed the limits - it's the weight of traffic in a confined area, like Corstorphine, that's the problem.

    And unfortunately this news story is emerging as 'councils at fault for not testing' rather than 'drivers at fault for polluting'.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    "And unfortunately this news story is emerging as 'councils at fault for not testing' rather than 'drivers at fault for polluting'."

    Well of course. Placing the blame elsewhere means ordinary, normally law abiding, hard working family motorists (including journalists) don't have to feel bad. Why worry when it's all the council's fault? Heck, it's not even the Scottish government's fault if the councils won't do their job and take dangerous, polluting motor vehicles off the roads. That's why more and faster trunk roads are so important.....er... (shurely shome mishtake? Ed.)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. acsimpson
    Member

    From personal experience the worst vehicles for smoke aren't the normally otherwise law abiding private motorist owned ones but the commercial vehicles.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    Depends. I regularly see folk driving around with broken exhaust pipes, maybe having taken speed bumps too fast at some point previously. Plenty of old bangers belching out black smoke too.

    In any case these are the extreme cases. The pollution you can't see is also a problem, as you tell when the weather is cold: the smell of the fumes lingers. Even modern cars pollute.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Colonies Chris; "Would it really be worthwhile a council investing in this sort of vehicle emissions testing?"

    Agree; I think this would be a red herring to deal with urban pollution. Yes, it should be picked up at point of MOT, but it's the sheer volume of stuff you can't see, NOXes, microparticulates etc. that we need to be dealing with, not the odd smoking banger.

    Even modern cars pollute.

    Oh come on! Next you'll be telling us we can't believe the fuel economy and emissions figures provided by trusted global vehicle manufacturers.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. Cyclops
    Member

    I have actually seen East Lothian Council doing emission testing on a couple of occasions with this van. However, it was in Tesco's car park and it was voluntary ie. "Get your vehicle emissions checked if you like". I can't help thinking anyone who knowingly drives a vehicle in poor condition would avoid it like the plaque despite the fact the test is purely advisory and no action is taken against failures and the sample would be rather self selecting. It does allow them to make statements such as "We tested x vehicles and they all passed" though.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Tonight -7:30

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    "

    @BBCDavidMiller: The full story on that potential legal challenge from @ClientEarth to the Scottish Government over air pollution:

    https://t.co/1e21QHqE1y

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    Well, the programme was not bad. Quite pro-cycling I thought.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. LaidBack
    Member

    Yes. David gave good account of the commuter challenge last year.

    Scottish Government’s Chief Medical Office, Catherine Calderwood didn't hold back.

    'You can't eat and drive yourself fit and happy' is the message but commercial interests want you to do just that.

    Also nice to see the Copenhagen view with Mikael Colville Andersen - seen here after counting the lack of bicycles on Edinburgh's Mound. (It was Sunday and his Festival of Cycling exhibition at the Hub had just been taken down).
    Mikael Colville-Andersen in Edinburgh by LaidBackBikes, on Flickr

    Posted 9 years ago #

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