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"The A720 Isn’t Fit For Purpose"

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  1. kaputnik
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    http://www.penicuikcuckoo.co.uk/2016/05/infrastructure-expand-housing/

    I thought it was a joke, but they're seriously agitating for the Bypass to be expanded to 3 lanes each way...

    Apparently, it's the fault of the 1980s;, which "lacked vision, creating a city bypass that had very little scope for expansion".

    Number 4 and 5 on their list of priorities are;

    "Complete the feasibility studies for the Edinburgh Orbital Bus Route and implement, if viable, once a third lane runs alongside the entire length of the City Bypass. Residents should be urged to commute by rapid bus rather than car, perhaps introducing a London style £1.50 hourly travel ticket that would allow a free connection at any of the park and rides.

    Investigate other transport options by commissioning feasibility studies into the reopening of the Penicuik (or Peebles) and Edinburgh suburban railway lines."

    I'd suggest those should be #1 and #2, as it seems to be rather strange to spend a huge amount of money to add 50% to the capacity of a road only to follow it up with demand reduction methods!

    The writer also seems to be rather blind to the effects of sticking a whole lot of extra traffic down a bypass road to the effects at the junctions and roads leading to/from them. Heck, why not just build a dual carriageway directly through Penicuik and be done with it?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    "Heck, why not just build a dual carriageway directly through Penicuik and be done with it?"

    Been there...

    "

    The protesters have set up camp in Bilston Wood, which is on the route of a new stretch of the A701 road set to be built between Edinburgh and Penicuik.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/going-out-on-a-limb-to-stop-a-road-1-847267

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. neddie
    Member

    There's your answer to what SG can spend the next £3bn on that's burning a hole in their pockets.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    There's a petition too (with comments) - some fairly predictable along the lines of 'I'm spending to much time commuting, something must be done'.

    With 'it'll only get worse if all the planned houses in Midlothian are built' - which certainly would be true if the 'only' work remained in Edinburgh.

    https://www.change.org/p/scottish-government-make-the-edinburgh-city-bypass-fit-for-the-21st-century/c

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I think it's probably a fair guess to say that a lot of the growth of Mid (and West) Lothian and probably Fife too, in recent years has been of commuters.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Yes, but that's the point - if the new housing is mostly for people who want to commute who should pay for the transport infrastructure?

    If people have to commute, perhaps there is a lack of adequately worked out planning and other policies...

    Certainly difficult to solve with the current local authorities setup.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Anyone else find it a bit depressing that all a second year architecture student is willing to advocate as a solution is "build more roads"?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. Charlethepar
    Member

    The authors do have something of a point, in that there is a gross lack of joined up thinking in planning policy. Policy demands parking provision. Policy allows low-density development on the periphery of cities, difficult to serve properly with effective public transport. Policy allows developments with no shopping or community facilities, with people assumed to be driving to meet every need. At the same time, policy wrings it hands at increasing traffic, and sets arbitrary targets for "sustainable" transport.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Has Sir David ever driven on the city bypass heading west at rush hour? Has he heard the traffic reports about the congestion at Hermiston Gait? Does he realise that there are no trams on his side of the tracks or that St John’s Road in Corstorphine is already Scotland’s most polluted street?

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/gina-davidson-has-sir-david-ever-driven-bypass-at-rush-hour-1-4132731

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. Tulyar
    Member

    You want to build houses than you pay for the transport infrastructure as well or you don't get to build the houses?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. Min
    Member

    Companies are already free to promise all sorts in return for building houses. They simply build the houses and then "run out of money" before they have to do the boring stuff.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. crowriver
    Member

    Oh look, it's Lothian Tory MSP Miles Briggs again! He of the Waverley station taxi rank complaints.

    Is he by any chance a keen motorist? I think we should be told.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. amir
    Member

    Many of the hold-ups on the A720 are due to:
    1) drivers unable to resist changing lanes to "optimise" their own speed (causes "turbulance" and slows whole system down) and drive smoothly without
    2) collisions caused by poor driving (tailgating is particularly evident on this road)
    3) breakdowns (perhaps due to poor maintenance but hard shoulders are lacking along some of the length)

    Ultimately though the high levels of usage must be a major factor but increasing capacity would just cause problems elsewhere. This needs to be dealt with in a more intelligent, structured way.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. neddie
    Member

    This needs to be dealt with in a more intelligent, structured way

    Limiting demand by charging, especially during peak hours.

    Increasing supply by charging, then reinvesting in a self-sustaining way (instead of being subsidised by all tax payers, drivers or not)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. Rob
    Member

    How effective are car pool lanes?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    How about;

    Moving jobs to other cities in Scotland
    Make houses cheaper and easier to buy and sell
    Build houses near jobs
    Find out where people are traveling from and to
    Build a segregated bypass bus lane
    Have buses going from where people are to where they want to go

    The last thing you want to do is what this dude is suggesting.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. Morningsider
    Member

    The UK Government is starting to get worried about falling fuel duty income from the uptake of low emission vehicles, which will only increase in the future. Watch the idea of a national road user charging scheme gain traction over the next few years (possibly as a replacement for VED) - as this would be a way to maintain income.

    This could do more to reduce congestion than any road building scheme.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. Morningsider
    Member

    IWRATS - outline plans for the bypass bus lane have actually been worked on already:

    http://www.sestran.gov.uk/files/EOBP%20Final%20Report.PDF

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. mgj
    Member

    Or, create jobs near houses, and institute an increased per capita GDP/negative overall growth policy.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Our city has so much going for it, yet after four wasted years of an administration which has run out of steam there is much to do. Edinburgh needs more effort to minimise congestion, especially on the City Bypass. We need more housing to reduce the pressure, especially on our young people, to move and commute from afar.

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/cameron-rose-out-with-the-old-and-in-with-the-new-this-may-1-4330864

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. neddie
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