That's why I suggested demand based pricing instead, attaching a fixed value to road space is much harder than letting the local market find a level via some kind of marketplace.
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Is there a handy way of calculating the cost of that according to local property prices?
You could do it using house prices and house areas as a proxy. A single car parking space seems to work out at about £2500.
Office accommodation is highly variable, but rents are often about £200 per person per month, which is £2400 per year. A typical office worker gets about 10 to 12 square metres, which is much the same as a car; a less generous office set up might squeeze it to 8 to 10 sqm.
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Is there a handy way of calculating the cost of that according to local property prices?
Council Tax levels and an appropriate multiplier.
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The gold standard would be adopting the Tokyo model where you need to prove you have allocated parking to register ownership a car in the city.
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Do you want to create a new thread for this debate?
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To set demand based pricing may require merging parking permits and pay and display spaces. As a space may be worth more to use pay and display. If kept a distinction then would depend on the ratio of spaces that used for permit to pay and display the choice of ratio may have the biggest impact.
I suppose if all spaces were merged then could vary daily’s based on demand but for pragmatic reasons how would vary permit prices daily weekly etc.
If keep separate arbitrary ratios then may not be the most efficient use.
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I suggest this thread is only used for links to other specific consultation threads
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Possibly a bit radical by why scrapping property based permits may be most efficient and have one demand based pricing. This may be more efficient for property use also as people would live near work and would affect prices of properties in relation to efficient use value. If people had to pay the real price of parking then few with choose to live in George street and drive out of town to work. However cant see that being a vote winner.
Also when look at things in relation market efficiency many things would be different why treat parking so differently from other functioning of government. For example what if the thinking then applied to council housing and used demand pricing, or evening rail pricing scrapped the political based rail cards based on voters groups young students middle aged, families and used easy jet demand based pricing. What of un funded public sector pensions where people pay token fees for large sum of future money, that is neither costed or even fully known, why not charge the normal borrowing rate, why should a well-paid official be given an opinion on future tax payers money below market rate? Part of pay not really as small link with extra years little relationship the more someone pay has increased the lower they pay per pound.
Why not apply market rate for the base rate? and not distort to manipulate house prices undermining market efficiency and subsidising private investment.
It often seems the government want to use a frame of thought of market and efficiency when applied to lower income groups yet the very people who make decisions have access to future public funds with no pretence of market rate. The market rate for MP is zero people would pay to do the job, but what of standards what standards.
I am not saying against demand pricing its just if heard an politician in those terms would know talking about something that effects lower social economic groups more than higher groups. Also with parking changes don’t really have thought on it.
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Consultation for a pedestrian "refuge island" on East Fettes Avenue between the park and Broughton High. Will mean 25 parking spaces lost so expect local outrage.
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/east-fettes-avenue/
Consultations like this are why things take so long to get done.
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TRO seeking to ban vehicles from stopping on school zig-zags (apparently extra signage required to comply with new legislation).
I can't imagine anyone here wants to object, but if you have time it won't do any harm to write in support.....if it means they can more easily enforce the stopping ban, I for one am strongly in favour.
TRO/17/69 - School stopping various locations
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/2379/tro1769-_school_stopping_various_locations
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OT, but Police Scotland are consulting on the "disposal" of 53 of their premises. Only one of these is in Edinburgh (Porty High Street), but there are three in Midlothian, two in West Lothian and three in Fife.
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https://www.westlothian.gov.uk/article/24820/Livingston-North-Blue-Green-Network
West Lothian Council is consulting on improvements to the path network in north Livingston.
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Midlothian Council's "Green Network draft supplementary guidance" is out for consultation.
It includes, amongst other things, maps showing where new developments will be required to put shared use paths.
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Looks promising though I hope “Suggested Path Connections” will become “required” after the consultation!
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Indeed, although I was pleasantly surprised by the extent of the "required" paths. Perhaps I should have higher expectations? Let's not just assume that "required" paths will all be built, either...
I think this is separate from Midlothian's Active Travel Plan, which should also be published for consultation in the next couple of months.
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Spokes' response regarding the delays to the many active-travel projects we consulted on:
http://www.spokes.org.uk/2018/02/inactive-travel/
and letter to Cllr Lesley MacInnes: http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1802-project-delays-to-Cllr-Macinnes.pdf
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Consultation - Musselburgh’s Future Sustainable and Accessible Transport Network
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18595
Closes 16th March
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Consultation - Midlothian Green Network
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18596
Closes Tuesday 3 April
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Consultation: Advertising boards and other temporary on-street advertising structures
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/aboards/
Closes 7 Mar 2018"We are considering a city-wide ban on all temporary on-street advertising structures."
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Here’s a petition requesting a consultation on how to bring some sanity to parking in the Leith Central Area. Improving Parking in the Leith Central Area Closes 14/04/2018.
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Tram route cycle safety (phase 3) consultation:
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17809&page=4&replies=120#post-277350
Closes 11 Apr 2018
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Edinburgh Trams to Newhaven Public Consultation
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18669&page=3#post-278096
Closes 29th April 2018
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Queensferry High Street consultation
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18769
Closes 2nd May 2018
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For those without consultation fatigue (perhaps exasparated by another round of emails about delayed projects earlier this week): QR61 improvements are being consulted on: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/quiteroute61-moredunvale-road-to-little-france-dri/
"Subject to completion of these orders, we are currently aiming for construction of the proposals to commence in late 2018."
The junction in question is currently closed long-term due to roadworks - so I assume they'll be incorporating these improvements in the current work.
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Done. It's on my main route anywhere and it's plain horrible. What they're proposing seems to be pretty much the best that can be done there and it's a thumbs-up from me. I have no idea why that path at the RIE was ever laid with ankle-twisting chips anyway. No good for feet nor bike. (I even managed to get a wee mention in about Meadows-Canal and Meadowbank.)
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Good stuff. Looked good to me at a quick glance too, but will look harder later.
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I've been looking at all the new paving to the north of there too, alongside the new Sick Kids and wondering if any of that is going to be shared-use. I suppose we'd have heard if it was.
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Consultation - Musselburgh’s Future Sustainable and Accessible Transport Network
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18595#post-281704
Closes 18th May
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Tram Route Cycle Safety Improvements consultation report
https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/
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UK Govt Cycle Safety Consultation
*URGENT*
Closes tomorrow (Friday 1st June) at 11:45pm
The UK government consultation - Cycling and Walking Investment Strategy (CWIS) safety review.
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