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Anyone know if there's been progress on phase 3 yet? Went down to look at what was going on at Leith Street recently and it reminded me how deeply unpleasant it is to cross the tracks at Princes Street/St Andrew Street.
Spokes article suggests completion in Autumn 2018 and council leaflet says "we are currently aiming for construction of the proposals to
commence in late 2018".
Spokes were told in February that it'd be "this summer".
Phase 4 (Lothian Road junction) is on hold pending Transformation decisions, so hopefully more news on that soon too.
Have the RSOs already been advertised for phase 3? Slightly stumped as to what would be causing such a delay.
From one of the active travel project managers:
“We are now in the final stages of appointing a contractor to take forward the construction. Under this, construction is currently scheduled to commence this autumn.”
When are they planning to do something about Grosvenor Street at the Dalry Rd. to West Maitland St. crossing?
I thought there were plans in the pipeline...?
That should be part of this work - designs on page 5 here https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/supporting_documents/Tram%20Cycle%20Safety%20Phase%203%20Consultation%20Drawing.pdf
Edinburgh’s top charity hustler aged 99 has fallen off his mobility scooter on tram tracks at York place
https://roadworks.org is showing planned works at all the consultation sites with works ending 25/11. Am I optimistic in thinking this will be the tram safety work? The action plan shows it taking 11 months in 2020...
@CycleAlex Looks promising - the locations match, including "North footway at South St Andrew Street" which would be the mini-cycleway to cross the tramline separately from other traffic. It might not be all of the work though because I think December has a roadworks embargo.
@gembo any link to further info on mobility scooter fall PM if anything. I saw a wheelchair user lock-in to track in Manchester a couple of years ago, watching as my tram pulled away and the person crossed the on street track behind.
Notes on document
Its not a simple job for the South St Andrew Street-Waverley Bridge bit (Page 1) Road plate & settlement of concrete &c needs to be fixed
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48342491242_fc2be510eb_b.jpg
Note : 'current' road plate at 'choke' point marked up
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48342196356_43f9670706_c.jpg
Note : Tarmac between edge of main concrete top slab and kerb replaced with concrete (unknown thickness/reinforcement/supporting ground compaction) which has settled and cracked, especially around the gulley frame
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48342198416_19d95d762a_b.jpg
Note : Approach - at Waverley Bridge right turn edge of upper slab, broken and loosening
Then Page 3 work still has the massive hazard cluster of the cycle lane traffic being
a) channelled in strip less than 1 metre wide which does not 'fit' the envelope of the natural movement of a cyclist making an S bend move,
b) also not turning as their tyre sits over the groove, or a thermoplastic road marking (a deadly slippery feature where the road signs manual sets a limit of 3mm as the thickness for this material
c) has cyclists in the Developed Kinetic Envelope (DKE) of the tram - the unsafe zone marked out by a kerb-line, round yellow dots, or dashed white lines, which needs to be clear for the tram to get past safely. At one point currently there is just 90 cm between the kerb upstand and the rail edge, and that has 2 10 cm wide thermoplastic yellow lines on one side and a solid thermoplastic white line on the other.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/43063316172/in/album-72157684865323565/
Notes : DKE is marked by yellow dots approach to Haymarket Station
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/48825086506
Notes : track gauge 1.435m - transfer to cycle 'lane' = < 1.4m plus note line of yellow dots in distance = DKE . Note also tarmac patches where concrete has broken up
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/20381087135/in/album-72157684865323565/
Notes : And it gets narrower!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/17983691764/in/album-72157684865323565/
Notes : Before red paint - showing 40cm of yellow lines & a total mess half-setts/half concrete surface ahead - full of ridges set to deflect tyres etc
d) still 'fires' cycle traffic out directly into the path of bus drivers pulling in to the bus stops at Haymarket, where the road surface was (is)) in an atrocious state, ripped apart further by the heavy forces of 12-18 Ton buses and coaches braking and accelerating away pushing the (fluid) tarmac around
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/21447293309/in/album-72157684865323565/
Notes : needs a better photo - bus pulling in through route cyclists directed to use. Cyclists are likely to slow down to avoid running into the side of the bus at the critical point of crossing the rail groove. My tyre went into the groove at Haymarket when I had to slow down & react to a bus 'cutting across' - fortunately I reacted quickly to pull up the front wheel and did not fall off
https://live.staticflickr.com/7822/40305257093_045212901b_h.jpg
Here's a growing album of Edinburgh Tram's disastrous Phase 1 street track, along with the post-fitted doubled-up rail fixings on the noisy tight curve at Ingliston P&R, and some of the foot crossings on the off-street sections 7 of which have been cited for risk audit review in the report on the Saughton fatality.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/albums/72157684865323565
A further detail here needs to be the recognition that cyclists are and should be able to use West Maitland Street Westbound.
I've also done a follow through on tram-cycle crashes, 2014 and one last month
Princes Street/S Charlotte Street junction had several lanes closed over night. Hopefully the start of this work!
@Tulyar Haymarket should get better once CCWEL has been built and many will enter the toucan there and cross to the bidirectional cycleway. In the meantime however it'll still just chuck you into the back of the several buses that are usually waiting there
Hmm. A lanesworth of the middle of S Charlotte St was coned-off during the day last week for no apparent purpose other than to force poor drivers to have to swervily change lanes into cyclists so it might just be that work moving down a bit.
@wingpig The traffic management was bemusing so quite possibly. Left lane northbound on Lothian Road was closed but then once you got around the corner, the right and middle lanes were closed!
There is finally actual, tangible progress on this!
South St Andrew St (the most significant section) starts construction on 05/09. The Grosvenor St no entry as well as smaller changes at Haymarket junction/South Charlotte St will then follow in September/October.
The other work outside Haymarket itself and Haymarket yards is now part of CCWEL and will happen in January.
Fairly swift progress on Grosvenor Street.
Next set of work at South Charlotte Street getting underway tomorrow. https://twitter.com/edintravel/status/1580210113008107521
West End tram cycle safety measuresThurs 13 Oct for 2-3 wks
Restrictions 11.30pm - 5am each nightQueensferry St & citybound Shandwick Pl closed at Princes St;
Temporary traffic lights for Lothian Rd / Princes St / South Charlotte St
The rate of work on the roseburn to Haymarket section at the moment is remarkable, given how little has been built in the 8 months.
I did see someone cycling along the not yet open section already today.
The Tram Cycle Safety work is complete at South St Andrew Street. Far, far better than before.
Can confirm. I rode this on Friday night and it was ok
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