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‘15 minute city’ or ‘20-minute neighbourhood’?

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  1. chdot
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    I’m assuming this is genuine

    THE RT. HON. JACOB REES-MOGG M.P.
    MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT FOR NORTH EAST SOMERSET
    HOUSE OF COMMONS
    LONDON
    SW1A OAA

    17th February 2023

    Thank you for your correspondence about "fifteen-minute cities" and "twenty-minute neighbourhoods'

    I am grateful to you for letting me know your views. However, I am in agreement with Nick Fletcher, M.P. The idea of a twenty-minute neighbourhood ignores the advantages of an increased speed of travel so is purely an anti-car policy. The local authorities who have implemented such schemes are similar in outlook to our own Liberal Democrat Council, who seem to delight in making life as difficult for the motorist as possible.

    The neighbourhoods of old were natural creations not diktats. They were limited in scope by the speed of walking or riding, only a misplaced nostalgia makes them appear attractive. In the moderr: world the car brings freedom and the opportunity to visit places that are not within a twenty-minute walk. The circumference of the twenty-minute journey has been massively increased by the motorcar to the transformative benefit of the economy and people's freedom. If you can average thirty miles an hour in twenty minutes, you can travel ten miles in any direction; if you walk at three miles an hour, you can only go one mile in any direction in the same amount of time. This means you can. visit an area 100 times larger. This increases the number of friends who can be visited and provides a greater choice of the shops and facilities that you use. Businesses can specialise more which improves the quality of service. This has been of fundamental economic importance. Stopping people using their car is economically damaging through the deprivation of choice. If people wish to live with less technology that is their prerogative but I will always oppose those who wish to take away our freedoms and prosperity.

    With every good wish,

    https://twitter.com/awjre/status/1626933394142535681

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. the canuck
    Member

    "If you can average thirty miles an hour in twenty minutes,"
    The word 'if' is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. Morningsider
    Member

    ...I will always oppose those who wish to take away our freedoms and prosperity.
    Consistency not really Mogg's strong point.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. neddie
    Member

    Translation: "...I will always oppose those who wish to take away my freedoms and prosperity"

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    Get ready for more of this -

    In the latest experiment cooked up by eco-nutters, Kent's only city will be swallowed, digested, spat out and carved into five new restrictive driving zones which will split locals into districts - turning Canterbury into a 15-minute city in all but name.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11783739/How-authoritarian-eco-plan-slice-city-5-zones-latest-bid-eradicate-drivers.html

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    British Land believes it has benefited from the scheme’s launch after the changes triggered by the pandemic, including the widespread adoption of more remote working, and residents’ new demands of their neighbourhoods, the so-called “15-minute city” model, designed for people to be within walking distance of local shops, leisure and services.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/mar/01/canada-water-new-london-british-land

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    “It’s brilliant,” says Toni. “It’ll make such a difference to this area. I can’t wait for Christmas when we can just do a 20-minute walk into George Square and the shops.”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20230317165346/https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/23394695.sighthill-bridge-glasgow-regeneration-will-make-difference/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    Nearly two-thirds (62%) of the public support the idea of their area becoming a 15-minute neighbourhood, according to a new poll by YouGov. It found that including three-quarters of Labour (73%) and over half of Conservative voters (57%) liked the idea of living in a neighbourhood where most of the things they need are within a 15-minute walk or cycle of their home.

    The poll follows protests against 15-minute neighbourhoods in Oxford last month. Opponents believe the real motive for Oxfordshire County Council’s plans for 15-minute neighbourhoods is to control citizens’ movements through facial recognition and other digital monitoring tools.

    https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/73276/majority-support-idea-of-15-minute-neigh/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Morningsider
    Member

    I'm intrigued by the idea that people don't want to live in a neighbourhood where they can easily access services on foot or by bike. Why? What possible downside could there be?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. jonty
    Member

    Sometimes this stuff doesn't need politicians or engineers, it needs psychologists

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    A trial community contact project is running in Gorgie Dalry to make it easier for local people to reach the services and support that the Council offers.

    Citizen Space at Tynecastle Community Wing is a test site that enables residents to access Council services in a convenient local setting.

    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/news/article/13694/new-trial-council-service-is-here-to-listen-to-you

    Posted 11 months ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    The area overlooking the Union Canal will be transformed as part of a development called Leamington Square – a joint venture between the City of Edinburgh Council as landowner and a partnership between Cruden Homes (East) Ltd and Buccleuch Property. They plan to deliver around 464 homes alongside landscaping and infrastructure improvements and over 2,700 square metres of retail space supporting the creation of a 20-minute neighbourhood approach, as well as providing new local jobs.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-housing-115-council-homes-planned-for-edinburghs-fountainbridge-at-former-fountain-brewery-site-4138564

    Posted 10 months ago #
  13. chdot
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  15. chdot
    Admin

    Edinburgh councillors have raised concerns over the spread of "wild conspiracy theories" about 20-minute neighbourhoods.

    The concept, which has been incorporated into the city's approach to planning and active travel, aims to ensure people can access the services they need in a 20-minute round trip from their front door without needing to drive.

    But there are fears that misinformation surrounding the strategy, which council officials have stressed is "all about local living", are now 'gaining enough traction to be dangerous'.

    The council's head of placemaking and mobility Daisy Narayanan said: "It tends to be that the 20-minute neighbourhood conversation focuses on transport, but actually this is very much about services and making it easier for everyone to access them.

    "Change is difficult and sometimes a lot of genuine concerns that people have tend to get lost in these conspiracy theories that are doing the rounds."

    Conservative councillor Marie-Clair Munro said all residents' opinions "regardless of their views" should be taken on board.

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/wild-conspiracy-theories-over-edinburghs-27503750

    Posted 7 months ago #
  16. Morningsider
    Member

    How odd - Councillor Munro doesn't seem to have taken my opinion on Conservative Councillors onboard...

    Posted 7 months ago #
  17. Dave
    Member

    Judging by our local paper the Tories are first to complain when a bank branch, post office, or even a church gets consolidated... yet if you package the reversal of such consolidation as "20 minute neighbourhoods" they are suddenly not so keen!

    Posted 7 months ago #
  18. chdot
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  19. chdot
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    Banks face fines if they fail to provide free access to cash withdrawals for consumers and businesses, the Treasury has confirmed.

    A new policy will state that free cash withdrawals and deposits must be available within one mile for people living in urban areas.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-66537642.amp

    Posted 7 months ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    A report to Edinburgh City Council said their plan would give "people the choice to access more services and facilities in their local area, it is not about restricting anyone from getting to or from other parts of the city," and help achieve green goals, while one local politician noted that "there are already 20-minute neighbourhoods in the city, they’ve probably already been here 600 years."

    However, Conservative councillor Marie-Clair Munro said the opinions of all residents should be taken on board, and told a council official that residents would be watching the discussion and asking "Am I able to get into my car in my neighbourhood that’s now a 20-minute neighbourhood and move around it if I wish?"

    https://www.euronews.com/2023/08/16/scotlands-capital-faces-us-style-conspiracy-theories-over-20-minute-neighbourhoods

    Posted 7 months ago #
  21. Morningsider
    Member

    At least Nick Cook managed to avoid making Edinburgh an international laughing stock.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    Nick Cook forgot about that young tory

    Posted 7 months ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    Their goal is to build a utopian new town that will offer its thousands of residents reliable public transportation and urban living, all of which would operate using clean energy. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/26/silicon-valley-elites-buy-800m-land-new-city

    Posted 7 months ago #
  24. the canuck
    Member

    A very rightie family member is now sharing social media to suggest that wildfires in Hawaii and northern Canada are actually part of an extreme move to create 15 minute cities.

    I'm trying to laugh, but this person spawned 5 people who all have the same views and are all intent on spawning themselves.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Can’t choose your relatives…

    I’m well aware of conspiracy theories generally, but how is that meant to ‘work’??

    Posted 7 months ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Edinburgh's refreshed 20 minute neighbourhood strategy is now online:

    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/33790/20-minute-neighbourhoods-strategy-august-2023

    These updates show different examples how the 20-minute neighbourhood concept is currently being embedded into key projects across the city. Following initial engagement with communities earlier this year, proposals are currently being developed to make it easier to access Gorgie Dalry, Portobello and Craigmillar town centres by walking, wheeling cycling and public transport while improving the quality of local streets and public spaces.

    https://edinburgh.gov.uk/future-council/need-20-minute-neighbourhoods/6

    https://twitter.com/CllrScottArthur/status/169875799219839

    safer cycle provision along Dalry Road and Gorgie Road, and secure cycle storage

    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/cycling-walking-projects-1/20-minute-neighbourhood-projects/2

    Cycling safety - including better provision of cycling facilities, particularly to encourage alternative options to the Promenade during peak times

    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/cycling-walking-projects-1/20-minute-neighbourhood-projects/3

    Posted 6 months ago #
  27. the canuck
    Member

    CH, a good conspiracy theorist never troubles themselves with details.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    True

    Posted 6 months ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    OR

    “Quieter Neighbourhoods“

    https://letstalk.enfield.gov.uk/foxlaneQN

    Posted 6 months ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Fifteen-minute cities are not a socialist plot

    https://conservativehome.com/2023/03/03/nicholas-boys-smith-fifteen-minute-cities-are-not-a-socialist-plot/

    Posted 6 months ago #

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