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‘15 minute city’ or ‘20-minute neighbourhood’?
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Posted 7 months ago #
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The UK govt will ‘look at preventing the introduction of the "15-minute city" - where essential amenities are always within a 15-minute walk’
If true this is becoming dangerously farcical - conspiracy theorists’ nonsense being elevated into govt policy.
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https://twitter.com/_xavierbrice_/status/1707878123180552422
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@Sustrans - leading a team of great people making it easier for all of us to get around on foot and by cycle. Views my own.”)Posted 7 months ago # -
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Full-on conspiracy theory thinking here from UKGOV as seen in new "The plan for drivers". "We will explore options to stop local councils using so-called “15-minute cities”, such as in Oxford, to police people’s lives." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/plan-for-drivers/the-plan-for-drivers
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Posted 6 months ago # -
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Mark Harper transport secretary has just said Tories will stop the “ misuse of 15 minute cities “ …
“what is sinister is the idea of local councils deciding how often you can go to the shops “. It is sinister. It’s also not remotely true… #cpc23“
Posted 6 months ago # -
Instead of doing a massive shop with a big motor full,of stuff you later don’t use and throw away you can sinisterly go to the shop, buy what you need, use it, then next day repeat.
Posted 6 months ago # -
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15-minute cities are an attempt to manipulate the built environment in order to undermine individual freedom. They’re a Trojan horse for big government and top-down control.
Richard Wellings
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https://transportwatch.wordpress.com/2023/06/25/15-minute-cities-and-the-new-feudal-system/
Posted 6 months ago # -
Is it wise to link to the sites of conspiracy theory right-wing nut jobs?
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I’m sure they’ve got better things to do than notice who references them.
Meanwhile, useful to know where the Tory Party gets its ideas…
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Yeah, but it pushes their site up the ratings in Google and the likes
Posted 6 months ago # -
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15-minute cities: separating reality from conspiracy
The idea of neighbourhoods where all services are within a 15 minute walk is being denounced as "Stalinist" by some protesters. How did city planning become the latest conspiracy theory?
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Yeah, but it pushes their site up the ratings in Google and the likes
The forum will add a rel="nofollow" to the link, to indicate to search engines not to assign any trust to this link.
Although, a quick search I noticed they now recommend using rel="ucg" for user-added links!
https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/qualify-outbound-links
Posted 6 months ago # -
Easiest way to avoid giving things clicks is to feed the page into archive.is - one click to get the link, one to crawl the page if it hasn't been already, then a permanent(afaik) link that never references the original site again.
Posted 6 months ago # -
@Yodhrin, does that work for EdinburghLive articles as well? I no longer visit the website because of the amount of non-article stuff that clutters my browser and my bandwidth.
Posted 6 months ago # -
@Arellcat it'll work on any "naked"(ie, not obfuscated by SIGN UP NOW popups/banners/expander buttons etc) page on the internet, it just checks for an existing copy/archives one for you in-totality and gives you a link to it.
EDIT: for example, https://archive.ph/YlJ0Z
Does your browser have uBlock Origin installed? If not I recommend it heartily for getting rid of clutter/advertising garbage.
Posted 6 months ago # -
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There was no shortage of Tory Liz Cheneys at conference. Take the transport secretary, Mark Harper, who took to the stage to endorse a conspiracy theory that, until now, has been the preserve of far-right internet trolls. The idea behind 15-minute cities could hardly be more innocuous: we should all be a 15-minute walk or bike ride away from everyday services we depend on, like GP surgeries, shops and banks. But Harper told the assembled faithful that local councils will dictate “how often you go to the shops”, “ration who uses the roads”, and then enforce it with CCTV surveillance. This is a lie, and Harper knows it. When his ministerial colleague, Andrew Bowie, subsequently defended this conspiratorial nonsense, arguing that voters were concerned that their “liberties were going to be infringed”, he must have known it was a hoax too.
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Posted 6 months ago # -
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The Tories say 15-minute cities are sinister. That’s nonsense – here’s the truth
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Posted 6 months ago # -
So for some people it won’t be ‘locked in my house/neighbourhood’, it’ll be ‘might have to move somewhere else’ (NOT because of the idea of improving access to services, reducing traffic etc.)
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In Bristol, for example, the number of low-income households living in privately rented homes in the inner city fell by 38% during the period. Glasgow saw a reduction of just over 20%, while London, Sheffield and Liverpool all saw reductions of more than 10%.
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“We need to examine the impacts this has on the welfare of poorer households as they are pushed to locations which tend to have worse public transport and worse access to jobs and vital services. But we also need to be asking whether this is the kind of city we wish to create – one marked by deepening spatial divisions between richer and poorer.”
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Posted 6 months ago # -
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“The Liberton Community Campus is a really exciting project which provides an amazing opportunity to create a community lifelong learning and sports hub to replace the existing school. This means public services can be co-located with links to active travel networks, green infrastructure and public transport networks.”
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What active travel network?
Posted 6 months ago # -
@neddie - they mean pavements.
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Aye, I dinnae fancy the pavements on Kingston Avenue much
Posted 6 months ago # -
This sounds like so much boilerplate.
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new generic housing and/or mixed amenity developmentis a really exciting project which provides an amazing opportunity to create athingto replace the existingthing. This means public services can be co-located with links to active travel networks, green infrastructure and public transport networks.What active travel network?
Ah, that'll be the ones that they're supposed to build but haven't yet.
The footway along Millerhill Road is also terrible, but it's also the only safe cycling route between Shawfair and Hilltown.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WALpEew71w5YrKip9
Google seems to think there is another, but I am not convinced.
Posted 6 months ago # -
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Welcome to Shawfair, a new community in Midlothian situated just a 15-minute train ride away from Edinburgh Waverley Rail Station.
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Posted 5 months ago # -
Spotted hilarious LEZ sign once you leave The Pleasance, watch as you will be in the LEZ Tiny and hard to spot. Sign about same size as Zone
Posted 4 months ago # -
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My conclusion can be summarised in five words: ‘Get People out and about!”. It can be expanded slightly to say ‘if you create places, neighbourhoods, town centres that are pleasant for people to walk, browse, cycle, play, enjoy arts, or to simply be in, then the amenities will follow, the businesses will reopen, the connections will be made, communities will be solidified and joy will return.
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https://peopleandplaces.scot/creating-towns-people-claire-daly-sustrans-scotland/
Posted 4 months ago # -
Canadians and e-bikes / cargo bikes.
Toronto has built a 60km of infra although huge gaps. Posted by Curbside Cycles - very Euro oriented shop.
E-bikes there limited to 32kmph. Same models and power as here mainly.Sorry long url!
Posted 4 months ago # -
Ministers prioritised driving in England partly due to conspiracy theories
Ministers decided to prioritise driving over active travel because of worries among ministers about “15-minute cities”, documents seen by the Guardian show.
They indicate that a significant shift in transport policy was guided at least in part by conspiracy theories.
Ministers began considering curbs on cycling and walking schemes in March this year, one document said, “in response to concerns about 15-minute cities”, an urban planning concept that Rishi Sunak’s government has repeatedly mischaracterised.
Other policy papers, uncovered as part of a legal challenge by the Transport Action Network (TAN), show officials warned ministers that a parallel crackdown on low traffic neighbourhoods (LTNs) was likely to be legally “challenging”.
Another document advised ministers they should drop plans to improve active travel “quietly”, adding: “We would not propose to make any public announcement to this effect.”
Secret policy U turns based on the ravings of deluded whackjobs. No change there, then?
Posted 3 months ago # -
Shocking but no surprise -
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Ministers began considering curbs on cycling and walking schemes in March last year, one document said, “in response to concerns about 15-minute cities”, an urban planning concept that Rishi Sunak’s government has repeatedly mischaracterised.
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And worse -
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In his speech to the Conservative conference in October, Mark Harper, the transport secretary, described 15-minutes cities as schemes in which “local councils can decide how often you go to the shops”, which was incorrect and is something that has never been proposed in the UK.
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Any chance similar thoughts/proposals are happening ‘behind the scenes’ in Scotland??
Posted 3 months ago # -
One also might wonder why they are keeping it secret if they actually think the policy will appeal to the electorate?
Posted 3 months ago #
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