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Edinburgh Leisure’s self interest gone mad?

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    I’m not a golf person and don’t entirely understand the technicalities here, but seems that EL is upsetting conditions for regular users to (try to) make a bit more money(?)

    Apparently Covid has increased demand for golf, so is it just a case of tradition/privilege being overturned to deal with demand?

    Officials at artisan clubs based at the Braids and also at Silverknowes are furious with Edinburgh Leisure after losing pre-booked tee-times that had been in place for decades.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/historic-edinburgh-golf-clubs-fear-closure-3271317

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. Stickman
    Member

    Filling up tee-times by pairing people up is absolutely standard on busy pay-to-play courses elsewhere.

    These are unique times and I think it's entirely fair for EL to do this.

    Perhaps these clubs would like to see how much these courses have been subsidised as golf's popularity has declined over the years? Until Covid, Carrick Knowe was deserted for the majority of the time.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    what's the difference between an 'artisan' club and a private club?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. Dave
    Member

    Anyone can start a private club, to be truly privileged you need artisanal status?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. Stickman
    Member

    Private clubs (like for example Mortonhall or Craigmillar Park) own their own course.

    The clubs in the EEN article don’t own any of the courses; they are based at the council-owned course and usually get things like allocated regular tee-times. Most famous example of this is St Andrews: despite its imposing clubhouse on the first tee the Royal & Ancient don’t own the Old Course.

    Not sure why they are called “artisan” though. Maybe they were related to trades in the past?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    @Stickman, could be. Prior to local government reorganisation the various trades and merchants had formal roles in the governance of most city burghs in Scotland.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    Having grown up on a municipal course in Ayr, well in the flat above the council owned locker room and indeed the most official club’s little committee room (that anyone could use) I am intrigued there could be preferred tee off times ever

    As with the Craiglockhart badminton courts phoning at 7am when the booking office opened was the only way to get a tee off time on the popular courses. Our course was less popular and as such you just put your ball in a tube and waited until it was first.

    Many workers’ clubs also operated out of the course. The Stamp Works in AYr was my club. But you also had to be a member of the official club to get your Handicap.

    AN aside - somebody moved to Ayr from further afield and bought a house near the stamp works on a Sunday viewing. They moved in on a saturday and had two good nights sleep only to be rudely awakened early on the monday and every subsequent working day.

    I have also been in a most modest club room at the Braids again I would judge an original Factory club etc.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    Hm, seems nothing to do with Edinburgh Trades (though there is an Edinburgh Drapers golf club).

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    Artisan

    A class of membership of a golf club with restricted rights at a low cost. Historically, many British golf clubs had small artisan sections, drawn from the working classes. Typically artisan members had limited playing rights, could not enter the clubhouse, had no vote on the management of the club, played in separate competitions from the main membership and had to perform unpaid maintenance of the course. Often an artisan club was a separate organisation that had negotiated use of a course with a private members club. Some artisan organisations have survived to this day.

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    https://www.allsquaregolf.com/golf-terms/artisan

    https://edinburghdrapers.co.uk

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    A LAST minute bid to save Ayr stampworks has failed.

    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/rescue-bid-fails-save-ayr-2439215

    Posted 1 month ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    The sixth oldest golf course in the world with the oldest trophy still played for (from 1774)

    Is run by the Musselburgh Miners Charitable Society

    Posted 1 month ago #
  11. mga
    Member

    Artisan clubs were set up more the the working class as opposed to the clubs that were for "gentlemen".

    Leven links for example has two clubs sharing the course, Leven Golfing Society and Leven Thistle (artisan).

    St Andrews has many clubs sharing the same courses such as the R&A, St Andrews club and St Andrews Thistle. The latter two were set up as artisan clubs. These clubs started to appear in the later part of the 19th century as the game became cheaper to play.

    The clubs mentioned in the article don't have their own course so would want access to regular blocks of tee times so they organise their competitions for members.

    Posted 1 month ago #

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