CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 15years old!
Well done to ALL posters
It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
RULES No personal insults. No swearing.
'Shopkeepers annoyed by plan to keep arterial routes moving at peak hours.'
Nah, too sensible, how will we keep the trolls fed?.
How about: "Drive to hit cycle targets means parking ban stays."
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/Drive-to-hit-cycle-targets.6722366.jp
Harumph.
The trolls are really scoffing. Chance of riding onthe pavement in Bruntsfield Place is nil; that florist covers most of it. Nothing about the delivery lorries blocking sightlines at the top of Viewforth etc either. Apparently local residents need to drive to these shops; if they are local, why the need to drive?
Aargh, must...resist...!
I still like to read Anth's exposition of being a member of a disliked minority. The scary thing about the EEN anti-bike brigade is that behind the barbed comments are real people, and most of them will be car drivers sharing space with us.
Well at least there is one person who 'understands'.
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As a motorist I object to people parking on Morningside Road and Brunstfield Place during peak hours. It's a main arterial route and should be kept as clear as possible for motorists AND cyclists.
Increasing the short stay off-main-road parking would surely be the best solution for everyone?
But the thing that gets on my thrupennies the most is the telling of the story. The council stated that the issues were buses, emergency vehicles and also cyclists.
Guess which one the EEN picks up on to target? Quite pathetic really.
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what they don't mention, but which I am pretty sure was talked about at a community council meeting is that many of the cars are parked by parents trying to do school dropoffs....
Adjustments for internet presence and the increase of the War On Motorists mentality aside, was the EEN any less offhandedly incendiary before it shifted to Holyrood, perhaps causing more staff to feel the need to drive in or otherwise complicating their journeys?
I was compelled to comment. Urgh - I feel unclean!
Where a bus lane is not in place, however, I'm in two minds as to whether I think there should be a clearway or not - if we allowed rush hour parking the congestion would immediately be so terrible that bikes would be the only sane way to get to work! :)
EEN seems to enjoy making sensasionalist editorials and attracting the loony element to comment.
The councils 15% target is laudable, but not sure how we will attract more bods given the current bike infrastructure.
Being brutally honest, unless you are fairly streetwise, cycling in town (especially when it is dark / gloomy) can on occasion be dangerous.
"The councils 15% target is laudable, but not sure how we will attract more bods given the current bike infrastructure."
Well yes.
Part of me is glad that they are still talking about 15% AND "by 2020" (if the ENews is to be believed. I think there was a backtrack to this being an "aspiration" rather than a "commitment" a while ago).
The rest of me knows that there is no chance (please prove me wrong CEC) without a change of attitude/practice by various bits of the council - AND more money.
Meanwhile the 'long suffering motorists'/'hard pressed retailers' get wound up and people who cycle (or want to) find it difficult to back the council wholeheartedly as (in things like this) they get the 'blame' without many of the 'promised benefits'.
CEC could of course keep drivers AND bike riders happy by fixing the potholes and other road defects.
and yet, and yet, they might just fluke it despite their best efforts(!)
Almost every month I seem to see an increase in the number of bicycles about, sales figures keep improving, every new bit of bicycle parking seems to fill up and the ranters on the een are slowly starting to sound more and more like the loonies who everyone ignores in the pub :-) I don't know if it's the recession, marketing, olympic success, congestion, public profile, health worries, improved image, probably a mixture of most of these things and the more it builds the easier it is for it to be "normal". We are even at the point where I read of complaints about bicycle "congestion" on the canal towpath, and I promise if that'd been mentioned fifteen or twenty years ago everyone in the room would have laughed! Not there yet, but Edinburgh is changing (even though you need an all terrain bike to navigate it in any comfort, sigh) fingers crossed it snowballs :)
"they might just fluke it despite their best efforts(!)"
Well yes and but.
This was one of the first posts on here.
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http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=17
Over a year ago.
IF CEC was remotely serious it would deal with some of the basics - like repainting existing cycle lanes and Advance Stop Lines/boxes.
BUT
THIS IS .........
Norway news site checks you read the story before commenting
...there's a reason why many news sites have abandoned comments sections altogether, and it's often because they provide little of merit. That's not to say readers don't have thoughtful views on the stories covered, but more that commenters aren't actually readers at all. Quite often it's glaringly obvious that comments have been written without the story being read, even just in part.
While I appreciate an effort to keep linked topics together is bumping a six year old post really the right way to do it
@klaxon our illustrious leader is fond of that excellent photo / picture of disintegrated marchmont cycle path.
Hilariously six years ago there might have been a sub editor at the EEN now the office cat does that job
Necrobumping
Quite often it's glaringly obvious that comments have been written without the story being read, even just in part.
Comment bots are now a proper 'thing', apparently. As in, keywords in an article are likely to lead to the comment bot contributing a related, inflammatory remark, to seed discussions in the advocated direction.
Some are obvious, but some are very realistic.
Most of them are probably several IQ points above a regular EEN commentator. (sorry)
@snowy That is unfair, the comment bot is triggered but when the public reply they have to do a short multiplication test to prove not bot or else we would get an infinite loop of bots talking to each other?
There is a famous counselling bot that just repeats back to you what you said (maybe switches active to passive sebtence structure). Was very popular on Internet. Some people talking to it for up to two hours. Maybe they were bots too
XKCD way ahead of the game, if only we could get the EEN to implement.
Also relevant: https://www.xkcd.com/481/
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Local media tend to look for negative notes to attract readership. They tend to be small editorial and journalist teams that do not follow stories though in as much detail. The result is that they tend to report negatively and with factual mistakes. This puts massive pressure on local politicians. Cycling is even more adversely affected as cycling schemes are rare and misunderstood.
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https://bristolcycling.org.uk/barriers-to-investing-in-cycling
@chdot
I take part in raucous comments threads on strident blogs, but what's said about Lesley Hines wouldn't be allowed through. It's really vile.
Also, has Sadik-Khan says, "everyone likes to watch a fight". Arm-wrestling is a more exciting spectacle than discussion towards a consensus, or let's agree to disagree.
There seems to be a trend going on in the EEN commentariat of someone (or some people) creating a kind of parody account for each of the other regular posters e.g.:
Man The Barricades -> Mandy Barricades
samlang -> spamlang
On The Ball -> On the Bile
heyheyhey -> gaygaygay
Scott Mann -> Scott Woman
exercise dodger -> exercise todger
Not sure if this is a new phenomena or not...?
@eddie_h
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
Some people have way too much time on their hands.
If anyone creates an 'I were wrong about that saddle' account on here I will flounce.
Promise?
I thought Man the Barricades was a parody account? I've always been amused at their blaming of cyclists for every single news story!
I sometimes wonder if almost everyone on there is a parody account.
Surely the level of ignorance and prejudice that this lot exhibit on EVERY story they comment on can't be real, can it?!
Promise?
What I actually meant was 'if nobody bothers to produce an IWRATS parody account I will flounce'.
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