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Today's rubbish driving...

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  • Started 13 years ago by Stepdoh
  • Latest reply from wishicouldgofaster
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  1. wishicouldgofaster
    Member

    ejs - if more enforcement were to happen you either get an increase in revenue which could fund more police or a reduction in deaths/injuries, meaning less cost to NHS and society in general.

    Additional benefit of pissing of the Daily Mail readership too :)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. Stickman
    Member

    There was freezing fog on the M8 around Harthill today but that didn't stop people ploughing on at 70mph.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

  4. unhurt
    Member

    Black Hyundai YT58 CCX heading E for Salisbury Place from Grange Road. There was space to turn right in front of it but something made me decide to wait. And yes: driver on her phone, apparently oblivious to the world, and I think going a fair bit over the speed limit.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. Rubbish Driving - with a happy ending...

    Filtered to the front of the lights at Meadowbank Terrace this morning only to find the box at the ASL 75% occupied by a car.

    I squeezed in at the front, caught the driver's attention and indicated it was a box for bikes she was in. She waved and mouthed an apology.

    Mid morning, a young woman appeared at my desk and asked if I cycled past Meadowbank this morning. It transpired she was the driver of said car!

    She apologised profusely again, explained she never deliberately does that, and had no idea what made her do so this morning.

    I had no idea who she was (in mitigation we have a fair number of newish faces) but was impressed she recognised me lycra'd up plus balaclava, specs and lid - all in the very darkness!

    Apologies if "spotted" was a more appropriate thread.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. Stickman
    Member

  7. ejstubbs
    Member

    Looks to me like he might have been unable to stop coming down the off ramp, possibly due to wet and/or icy roads (it has been quite cold these last couple of nights, after the warmer spell that accompanied Eleanor). Which could explain why the charge is careless rather than dangerous driving (and feel free to debate the relevance or otherwise of any distinction in such an instance).

    I note that the article reporting the crash states that "the lorry was on the roundabout blocking drivers from the A1 heading towards Tranent and Haddington". If the lorry was on the roundabout (which it was) then no-one on the A1 heading towards Tranent or Haddington would have been impeded. It was actually blocking people coming off the A1 and wanting to head towards Musselburgh, or people coming off the A720 and wanting to join the A1 towards Tranent or Haddington (or indeed wanting to take the M'burgh exit).

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. Frenchy
    Member

    I think this would be the spot.

    In which case, seems most likely that he's come onto the roundabout from the B6415 (motorway services just there). Which would mean that gravity isn't an excuse, and he shouldn't have been going very fast.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. ejstubbs
    Member

    Nope, it's here - compare with the photo on the Police Scotland tweet about the incident:

    In both you can see the sign for Edinburgh & Leith, and the sign below for the Newcraighall park & ride - ie to join the A1 northbound.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Can’t remember if there is a ‘rubbish court decisions’ thread.

    “If he lost his licence it would mean a daily trip of three-and-a-half hours on public transport, which would be a major inconvenience,” said the solicitor.

    He also needed his licence to take family members to church, she added.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/south-queensferry/teenager-caught-driving-at-120mph-allowed-to-keep-licence-1-4654511

    Perhaps need a “lawyer of the day” thread too(?)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: Can’t remember if there is a ‘rubbish court decisions’ thread.

    There is now!

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18501

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks!

    How strange, missed a whole thread from only yesterday...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

  14. chdot
    Admin

    Well, (potential for) rubbish cars

    MOT exemption for classic cars

    The Department for Transport has announced that classic cars more than 40 years old will be exempt from MOT testing.

    Owners will be able to voluntarily elect for their car to go in for an MOT if they feel it needs one.

    The change will come into effect from May this year and will apply to around 293,000 cars in Britain.

    It will mean around 1.5 per cent of cars in Britain will not have an MOT certificate but will be road legal.

    https://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/these-are-the-new-laws-that-will-come-into-force-in-the-uk-in-2018-1-4653801

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. Frenchy
    Member

    ...why?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    “...why?”

    Presumably because of certain amount of lobbying by owners/groups.

    But more realistically perhaps because few MOT centres could actually test some old cars - AND/OR they probably no longer meet many current regulations.

    SO perhaps they should be limited to 4mph, maybe preceded by someone with a red flag(?)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. LaidBack
    Member

    So classic cars in UK are equivalent numerically to electric cars at 1.5% of vehicles? Only one needs an MOT. Seems odd.
    If you are hit by a classic car with some fault the result is the same.

    Edit.. Of course it's all to do with the EU vote. Should have guessed. Classic Mini owners should have aright to drive in Italy unimpeded etc.
    http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/brussels-demands-tighter-restrictions-for-historic-vehicles

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Classic cars are owned by wealthy, careful people. Old cars are owned by poor, careless people.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  19. Frenchy
    Member

    But more realistically perhaps because few MOT centres could actually test some old cars - AND/OR they probably no longer meet many current regulations.

    I could just about understand relaxing some of the criteria for classic cars, but to do away with the MOT altogether is too much.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  20. Frenchy
    Member

    Redford Road today. Not very busy, very wide road, but there's some cars parked on my side, which I don't want to get too close to. White van driver ABSOLUTELY MUST overtake when there's a car oncoming, within a foot of my elbow, without slowing down.

    I involuntarily swear loudly, the driver (who a second ago, I assumed must have been in a fair rush) pulls over, gets out and starts an argument with "How much space do you want?"

    Absolutely sick of this [rule 2].

    Posted 6 years ago #
  21. glasgow megasnake
    Member

    @MOT business
    A lot of aspects of the modern MOT are just irrelevant for such old cars. And mostly, this is a class of vehicle that is well-maintained anyway.

    @Frenchy: arghhh

    Posted 6 years ago #
  22. SRD
    Moderator

    grumble, grumble., grumble

    bottom of the Mound outside art gallery fully parked up with lorries and vans. big lorry then *reverses* out into my line of travel. and then gave me grief when i said he should have had a banksman.

    Diassembling 'Edinburgh's Christmas' I guess. what a mess.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    A classic car is an older automobile; the exact definition varies around the world. The common theme is of an older car with enough historical interest to be collectable and worth preserving or restoring rather than scrapping.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_car

    Posted 6 years ago #
  24. neddie
    Member

    I think I'd still want the following tested annually on a classic car:

    1. Tyres
    2. Suspension components & engine mounts
    3. No rust holes / sharp edges
    4. Structural integrity of sills, chassis, subframe, etc.
    5. Brakes operating evenly on all 4 wheels & with reasonable braking force.
    6. Lights.
    7. Windscreen and wipers.

    I can think of plenty of classic cars that appear well maintained, but are often complete sheds in terms of structural integrity e.g. VW campers, old Minis, etc. Not safe in a crash.

    The existing MOT is perfectly fit for purpose for classic cars with a few exemptions on the tests, and why should owners be given 'a break' when this jeopardises the safety of others?

    Possible testing exemptions for classic cars:

    1. Emissions
    2. Not such strong braking force required.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "Possible testing exemptions for classic cars"

    Any exceptions should require a trade-off, e.g. speed restriction (especially if any exceptions involve braking).

    Presumably owners could voluntarily go through the MOT process.

    (For their vehicles obviously...)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  26. amir
    Member

    Diesel VW driver frequently diving into the bus lane on Milton Road West to undertake queue. Ended up driving in the cycle lane on the curve by Duddingston Row :o

    Posted 6 years ago #
  27. piosad
    Member

    Jerk van driver did not take the hint I gave by cycling very defensively, about two-thirds of the lane width from the gutter. Frustrated by his inability to squeeze into the gap he gave me a very close accelerated pass rather than wait another second an be able to fully cross into the opposite lane. Fairly ordinary story except I had a passenger on the tagalong but that is apparently no obstacle.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  28. rider73
    Member

    black vw polo left me no space on ferry road, then almost failed to stop at pedestrian crossing on red and proceeded to continually creep across despite pedestrian walking across it in front of him, caught up to him and next set of lights and was a very very old guy with very very thick glasses.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    @rider73 - Mr Magoo out driving again?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  30. neddie
    Member

    First aggressive pointless overtaking of the year, while I was in primary heading down the Mound. Then another again two minutes later on Hanover St.

    What is it with people that they think they can just poison children and endanger lives?

    Ordinary people cannot be trusted with dangerous machinery.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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