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Newbridge - Kirkliston - Dalmeny Railway Path

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  1. Bhachgen
    Member

    Is anyone familiar with this route? What's the surface like?

    Tried a different route for my commute last night via Kirkliston and Cramond but the Newbridge - Kirkliston road is not much fun at rush hour time. First part you're dealing with eejit drivers trying to squeeze past you where there isn't really room, second part you're riding up the white line in the centre of the road overtaking the traffic queueing for the lights in the village.

    Not so bad after that although it was pretty dark in last night's mizzle.

    Looking at maps online and Cycle Streets shows a railway path starting at the Edinburgh end of the bridge at Newbridge roundabout which heads pretty straight to Kirkliston, then tracks the Cramond road for a bit before heading north to Dalmeny. Hard to tell even on max zoom on Google Satellite view what the surface is like. Looks like a narrow path, possibly dirt, possibly tarmac. Anyone tried it recently?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. cb
    Member

    Some info on it here:

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=2349

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Member

    Last time I was down there probably 18 months ago. At that time the start of the path at the Newbridge end was almost hidden, a single person-width muddy footpath through rougher grass. It soon widens out into a pretty good whindust / crushed shale surface, although like all such surfaces is prone to getting very muddy and slidy when wet. I *think* the bit closest to Queensferry is tarmacced for the last 0.5 mile or so.

    There's a missing section at the old goods station at Dalmeny which is now the Caravan storage place. You can either bypass on the road or take very narrow / overgrown section by going up a rotten old set of steps.

    It's a nice path anyway on a spring or summer day.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. scotti
    Member

    Haven't been on the old railway line between Newbridge and Kirkliston for a while (only did it once) and the surface was hard packed gravel and pretty bumpy.
    Haven't been on the bit to Dalmeny from Kirkliston, used to be quite overgrown and prone to flooding. I've heard recently that it is getting a proper tarmac surface and drainage, not sure on the progress of that.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. DaveC
    Member

    I ride over it at Dalmeny and sometimes on thequiet road past Elizebeth Yards, which crosses over it. Its always looked wet and muddy down there. Its also over grown. North of that bridge there is a Caravan Storage site but I think there may be access to the road opposite the water treatment plant. Further on at Dalmeny its metalled into S Queensferry until the Co Op.

    Last sumer we rode out along the canal to Ratho. From there I rode north to Newbridge and along the section from the east end of the foot bridge over the Newbridge roundabout into Kirkliston.

    As for a regular commuter route I'd recomend Newbridge to Kirkliston along that line but then coming off onto the Kirkliston - S Queenferry road as the west side of the road has a widened path which is a dual peds/cycles path. Come the lighter evenings I'd be up for a cycle along the full length of the route, and I think its a shame the full path from S Queensferry to Newbridge is not metaled.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. SRD
    Member

    We cycled some of this in August (from nr Craigie's farm to Newbridge). Excellent for a day out cycling with the kids, but not a speedy ride for a commute. Gravelly/muddy etc. But totally ride-able.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. pixelmix
    Member

    The section from Kirkliston to Dalmeny used to be like the Water of Leith around Currie/Balerno area (i.e fast riding slightly muddy path, which would be fine to commute in all but the wettest of conditions).

    Resurfacing has been going on recently. Last time I did it, it was like treacle (similar to the section of the WoL by the tunnel at Spylaw if that means anything to you). Hopefully the resurfacing is a work in progress, although in my opinion it is a shame if huge sections of the countryside get tarmaced for no good reason.

    In short, I agree with the above - fine to ride, but best on a cyclocross bike or a hybrid with reasonable tyres. Not ideal for a high speed commute if it is wet, but nice for a family stroll.

    If it was my commute, I'd probably use this path all of the way, but would want some mudguards on.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Stepdoh
    Member

    I went to work that way as I had a meeting in South Q. and work in newbridge. Quite fun on the way to newbridge in the daylight, as you could survey the fairly rough surface, but got me there (although would be heck of a lot quicker if the airport wasn't in way)

    Anyway, had left wallet in South Q. tesco toilets when I was doing my presto-changeo act. The way back in the dark was erm, exhilarating, as my front light wasn't really identifying the potholes/trees. It's doable, even fun, but some strong illumination would help.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. wingpig
    Member

    It's certainly possible on 23mm road tyres, but if it's rained within the past couple of weeks you'll be hoicking muck out of your brakes towards the end. Haven't tried it on fatter tyres yet. The P4S route appeared to go parallel to most of it on roads, which I've never tried to find from the other end. There's one carry-bike-down-some-steps bit (just after the single-width-long-grass section) which there might be an alternative to.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Stepdoh
    Member

    I got lost there and ended up going back into dalmeny for a bit :*)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. duncans
    Member

    Dalmeny-kirliston is terrible, very muddy and poor.

    Kirliston-newbridge better, but pretty poor. I use it on the driest of summer days, otherwise too muddy. Tends to be overgrown later in season. More open cesspit for dogs than cycle path.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. Dave
    Member

    I rode it once and gave it up as a bad job.

    Much of the 7-stanes mountain biking courses have a better surface... fine for a pleasure ride but I avoid.

    If it was surfaced (and the caravan site was moved on / bridged / otherwise negotiated) it would almost connect the canal to the coast... never happen though.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Member

    "it would almost connect the canal to the coast."

    and/or a fabulous circular ride from russell rd via Cramond /back via canal.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. DaveC
    Member

    Looking at the arial view I think where the bridge has been removed there is a path on the opp side of the railway line to the road. It goes north for around a hundred metres and then tucks under the railway to meet the road again. I might take a look this eve to see if those locked gates remain.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. DaveC
    Member

    SRD. I've ridden that route though not all in one go. As I've said, from Kirkliston the path on the west side of road to South Queensferry has been substancially widened to allow shared use 95% of the way to South Queensferry. There is crossover to the east side at the A90 which can be dangerous as cars fly up & down that road.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. SRD
    Member

    It's the connection to the canal that's the problem!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Leaflet for various bits of route described.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. druidh
    Member

    I like it. I often incorporate it into a big Edinburgh Suburban loop.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. Bhachgen
    Member

    Thanks for all the feedback folks. Will give it a bash soon

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. HibeeBiker
    Member

    The thing about cyclepaths is that everything is relative. There are some days you just don't want to be near traffic. I rode the Newbridge - Dalmeny Path yesterday to avoid the icy roads. The path has much improved over the past year. It's now smoother and better drained than, for instance, the section of the Union Canal path closest to Riccarton. Anyway my decision to ride the slightly slower cyclepath was vindicated when I heard that 2 cars had slid and crashed on the Cramond Brig - Kirkliston Road I would normally have taken.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. DaveC
    Member

    Update:

    I rode from Kirkliston to Newbridge this morning. The path from Kirkliston to around 200m north of Newbridge is metalled, where the line crosses the Lochend Road. The rest is dirt with a few shallow puddles, which are currently iced over but which I rode through with ease.

    We're riding along the B9080 from Cramond Brig to Kirky this evening and will explore the route from the rail bridge just west of Standingstane Rd to Kirky to see if there is access up to the cycle path and what state the cycle path is in.

    Expect an update in a few days.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. TonyJ
    Member

    There is a "ramp" up to the track on the east side of the bridge by Carlowrie cottages & on the north side of the road.
    Worth mentioning that apparently the planned new rail lines, the Almond (or Dalmeny) Chord, will mean that Standingstane Road will be realigned onto the cycle track through the cutting under the Milton Road bridge. Google "almond chord" for details.
    Tony

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. Dave
    Member

    "Worth mentioning that apparently the planned new rail lines, the Almond (or Dalmeny) Chord, will mean that Standingstane Road will be realigned onto the cycle track through the cutting under the Milton Road bridge. "

    So there won't be a segregated route after all - pity.

    Still, this is Edinburgh!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. DaveC
    Member

    Oh no we're looking at the cycle path from Standingstane road to Kirky to avoid the road as its a bit of a rat run.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. TonyJ
    Member

    Not totally sure whats planned as the map/plan doesnt go into that detail but I have left comment about it on the EGIP survey form. Not sure of the width of the cycle track in the cutting vs road + shared pavement.
    On a bike the road is best used coming south from Dalmeny by joining the road at the caravan place access & going back onto the track once under the railway bridge (unless you *want* to carry your bike down steps etc). If walking it is possible to avoid the road altogether.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. cb
    Member

    The plan is here (I had to save it first - got a network error when trying to open in the browser).

    http://egip-consultation.co.uk/location/almond-chord

    As TonyJ says it's not totally clear what's planned. There's a surprising amount of road reallignment. It looks like the new Standingstone road is going to go above the railway; but is it not currecntly in a cutting? Or am I reading the plan wrongly?

    I hope the people in Craigbrae aren't good pals with the people in Craigbrae Cottages as they're going to have a long walk to go visiting.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. DaveC
    Member

    Right folks update again. the path from the bridge next to that cottage to Kirky is fine. No puddles or debris. The ramp access is a little tricky from the road as the bridge makes the rd a dog leg and its narrow there too. But the ramp is hard under foot and not at all bogy or muddy. The path going the other way looks identical and from there to Newbridge has recently been cleared of fallen trees etc.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. Bhachgen
    Member

    Thanks again for the advice folks. As it was a bright evening I went and tried it out tonight. Newbridge end is quite easy to find once you know where it is. Coming from the west, as you come down the ramp off the bridge over the M9, you basically turn to the right, back on yourself, and the path dips under the bridge. It's pretty narrow to begin with, but soon widens. Surface is firm enough though I would imagine after rain it can probably get a bit muddy. Probably wouldn't fancy it on anything narrower that 25mm tyres except after a long dry spell.

    I followed it through Kirkliston which was far more pleasant than the road alternative at that time of the evening. There's no signage to be seen anywhere, so you have to guess which way to go at times, but it's all pretty obvious.

    As my destination was in town I dropped back onto the Kirliston-Cramond road where the path crosses it and starts heading to Dalmeny. The ramp down to the road is quite muddy and rutted, but passable. Most of the motorised traffic on that road is going the other way, so this is a pretty good way into town if you're heading for the north side, linking up with NCN1 at Cramond Brig and then into the NEPN.

    Links to the canal from the Newbridge end?
    1) use the footbridge in Ratho Station, then station Road to link onto Baird Road to Ratho, where you can pick up the canal by the Bridge Inn.
    2)Use the bridge over the M9 then follow the cycle path alongside the A89 westbound. Just before the big brick railway viaduct there's a wee lane (Birdsmill?) running off to the left and under the viaduct. Follow this, ignoring a left turn for Birdsmill, until you get to the Astor pub, take a left at a Give Way to go over the M8 and under a railway bridge to reach the canal.
    3)As (2) but stick with the cyclepath by the A89 until you get to the right turn for Winchburgh. This jinks right over the railway line, then runs parallel to it, before turning left, back across the railway and shortly after, the canal.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. Flatwhite
    Member

    I use this route and have a grumble every time I get off my bike to come down the steps after the caravan place.
    The resurfacing of the cycle path as you approach Newbridge seems to direct you down Lochend Road. If I was heading to Gyle or Gogarburn, there is a potential route that follows the South perimeter of the Airport, however whilst the gap between the gate and fence post is wide enough to walk through sideways, you cant get bike handlebars. This route would be interesting as it misses quite a bit of the A8 and eventually comes out at Ingleston – could this route be opened up to cyclists? Its normally only opened to allow access into the fileds for the Highland show, however its easily accessed by pedestrians - just not bikes.

    The route to Maybury/ Gyle/Gogar is still a bit iffy from Fife. The Crammond Brig zone is just not quite right and I feel quite exposed when heading to the Gyle.
    A few options for consideration:-

    a) Route via airport perimeter above – possible – but a bit of a detour for some

    b) The old Stirling road went through Kirkliston (prior to the 2nd runway at the airport being built) and used to link to Cammo road / Turnhouse road. The road near Carlowrie house is still there along with the bridge over the river – could this be linked up to Turnhouse / Cammo to give another route into West Edinburgh? It runs along the edge of the airport so not sure how cycle friendly they are. Is there a path at the railbridge at the River almond?

    c) A link from Craigiehall/Riverside Road across the River Almond to Cammo road would avoid the need to go along Crammon Brig.

    Bit dismayed about the Almond chord - would be pretty hacked off if this nice cycle route is lost / forgotten about. A lot nicer way to commute than going through the lights at Kirkliston

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. cb
    Member

    That south perimeter fence route sounds interesting; I didn't realise you could do that.

    Regarding other options for getting from Kirkliston/Craigie to Cammo/Maybury, there have been a couple of short discussions on the form in the past.

    This...
    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=882
    ...mentions the link between Boathouse Bridge and the railway bridge at the east end of the airport. Not sure what happened to the plans for the River Almond walkway.

    This...
    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3428#post-36098
    ...mentions options for crossing the Almond at Craigie using Grotto Bridge.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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