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Posted 14 years ago #
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Resounding meh from me, i use my full on "racer" for every thing bar carrying loads basically because it doesn't have bolt points and i'll tell you what you'd be glad for the drop bars and position in a head wind like todays.
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Very commendable. But as I just posted on the cycling and women thread, I'll be sticking with "unfriendly" from now on. I dread to think what riding a dutch bike in a dress is like round Edinburgh.
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"I dread to think what riding a dutch bike in a dress is like round Edinburgh."
People do.
Until various posts on here in the last 24 hours I hadn't thought much beyond gears/hills.
But now I have to think about older/women/speed/perceptions/motorists/safety too!!
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"People do."
Yes I have seen one woman in particular a couple of times. She looks lovely. And miserable.
Posted 14 years ago # -
I saw one (at Church Hill) who looked lovely and cheerful.
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Hmm, well I'll go away and have a wee think about inviting even more aggression on to myself by going out looking lovely.
I've thought about it. No.
(I am sure my normal cheerful self will come back soon when I get my MTB back. :-) )
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How about this look Min?
Posted 14 years ago # -
I was down at the Stockbridge Tap on Friday after parking the new LB ICE trike demo in borrowed garage space down there...
anyway...
Was chatting with a friend and having a Stewarts 80/- at window seat. She and I noticed that there were quite a few cyclists cutting though back route at St Bernard's Row on corner where they blocked the road.
Many were not dressed in yellow and rode bikes with straight bars. Some Pseudo Dutch types of machine with low step over like one above.
Posted 14 years ago # -
Stockbridge is trendy...
(Well they used to think it was.)
Posted 14 years ago # -
I have to confess the current cycling "uniform" of helmet, dayglo yellow jacket and black trousers/shorts makes me want to wear something, anything different. Edinburgh seems to be creating cycling clones :-/
Posted 14 years ago # -
"Edinburgh seems to be creating cycling clones"
There may be a new orthodoxy soon.
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=253&page=2#post-3722
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(laughs) well at least we'd all look a bit more individual and probably a lot more stylish :-))
I shall dig out a pair of britches and a shirt and tie immediately... ;-)
One should always remember that being visible doesn't have to mean wearing the brightest colours, all you have to do is catch the eye!
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@Smudge do you mean like this?
Shame she felt the need to wear silly head gear, but then she had just filtered down the near side of two buses (one was out of shot) and jumped the red light. Odd how people wear a lid because they feel vulnerable, but then behave dangerously.
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"Odd how people wear a lid because they feel vulnerable, but then behave dangerously."
Confirms my wholly unscientific theory...
Posted 14 years ago # -
Risk compensation theory? There has been some study of this...
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Risk compensation has, I believe, been well proven, it is of course though only one factor amongst many!
The helmet? Personal choice, I almost always wear one off road, I'll sometimes wear one in heave traffic, just depends.
The filtering, I'm not without sin, each manouvre has to be considered on it's own merits, some say "never" go down the left of a heavy for instance, but as an almost reformed heavy driver I have a pretty fair idea what most are likely to do and what they can/cannot see so if the circumstances permit then I'll sometimes do it.
The red light, inexcusable :-(
As to the rest of the look, well it caught your eye ;-)) and nicer than cycleborg (tm) (though less good in the rain!)Posted 14 years ago # -
Oh dear not this again
There is virtually no evidence to support risk compensation while riding lidded. In reality when one doesn't have an axe to grind one recognises that people do stupid things lided, unlidded in a big iron cage or ontop a couple of bits of rubber.
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=179#post-1242
Posted 14 years ago # -
@Steveo, I have no idea how risk compensation relates to helmet use, hence my comment about it merely being one factor amongst many. Risk compensation as factor in peoples decision making process has, I believe, been well established. Hence my earlier assertion.
However that said, psychology is not one of my specialisms, so if you believe I am mistaken let me know and I'll do some more reading.
Best,
Smudge
ps no axe to grind, I don't care whether people wear helmets or not as long as I get to make my own choices ;-)Posted 14 years ago # -
Sorry smudge that wasn't aimed at you or any one really but the helmet thing gets on my goat, wear it don't wear it but lets drop it.
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No worries ;-)
Posted 14 years ago # -
steveo,
If you wanted to drop it why did you prolong the discussion?
Looks a wee bit like a hit and run merchant.
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"As to the rest of the look, well it caught your eye ;-)) and nicer than cycleborg (tm) (though less good in the rain!)"
I'm going to (try) and ignore BOTH the helmet discussion and the fact that this seems a gratuitous excuse to post a picture of a woman cycling in a revealing skirt.
BUT it is worth mentioning that short skirts are great for cycling in the rain. Nylon stockings don't absorb water/dry quickly, so if your jacket covers the top half of the skirt, then you can get to work pretty dry. And/or I always used to go for short skirts on heavy rain days -- put waterproof trousers on over tights/stockings, shove skirt in bag, and off you go. You just need to remember not to haul off the trousers in public....
Posted 14 years ago # -
"and the fact that this seems a gratuitous excuse to post a picture of a woman cycling in a revealing skirt."
This has always been an 'issue' with "cycling chic".
It's a fine line between 'celebrating' the fact some people ride bikes in nice clothes and just concentrating on pictures of female persons.
The facts remain that women tend to have more interesting clothes, people with cameras are more likely to be male - as are bike riders.
It's interesting that there is still no Edinburgh Cycling Chic web site - which certainly doesn't signifify a lack of interest in cycling and what people wear.
There's only just been an ECC Flickr group set up. http://www.flickr.com/groups/1361111@N20/pool/
I suppose it depends on the definition/intent of "gratuitous".
Perhaps we need more stylish men (not just tweed...) and maybe more female photographers.
Having things like the Beauty and the Bike project complicates things even more!
New thread anyone?
Posted 14 years ago # -
Note to self: photograph the local scenery more. :-)
Posted 14 years ago # -
@wee folding bike. My comments were not related to this thread in particular but the helmet debate in general.
Every time some thing like this comes up there is a snide side comment along the lines of "Shame she felt the need to wear silly head gear." The hypocrisy is deafening, encouraging people to wear normal clothes and get out on there bike then criticising them for making there own choice is just as bad as wanting people to use there bike instead of the car then suggesting that they should only go out in day glow and a hard hat.
In the Red Corner the Health and Safety Brigade and Nanny state conglomerate who believe every thing should be sanitized and any form of risk should be managed away and if you must use a bike then it should be done with 500 lumen lights, a reverse signal (just encase), a 120 decibel bell, day glow clothing and full face motor bike helmet
In the (ever so stylish) Blue Corner we have the Cycle Chic Copenhagenised alliance who believe every one should use their bike for every journey but only if they are dressed in there best jeans and smart shirt or flowing dress and that if only we all dressed like the Dutch and rode Dutch style bikes all the nasty cars would leave us alone.
In the middle is the rest of us riding in what ever have and however we feel comfortable....
On a barely related note I have my own personal theory about risk compensation with bikes (who doesn't ;).) Perhaps some of the people wearing their "magic hat" wouldn't feel safe on the road with out one and that for them the risk compensation effect is just getting out and riding, is that really that bad.
Posted 14 years ago # -
Does it count if you tend to keep the same kit on after you get off the bike?
Posted 14 years ago # -
steveo,
I think the stylish corner might be a delicate light blue shade, not as light as egg shell, more the hue of a spring sky.
Anywho, how about the extended phenotype found by Walker et al where car driver's risk compensation was altered by people wearing helmets?
Posted 14 years ago # -
"Does it count if you tend to keep the same kit on after you get off the bike?"
Personal choice - though cycling shoes with cleats tends to be a bad 'look'...
I wonder if the time will come when pubs have signs saying "no cycling colours"?
Posted 14 years ago # -
"I wonder if the time will come when pubs have signs saying "no cycling colours"?"
Well, the Brompton riders are definitely a bit tribal....
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