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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Well this relates nicely to various recent threads!

    From latest BikeBiz (not online yet).

    "We target the people that don't define themselves as a cyclist and are actually put off by day-glo and lycra."

    From a bicycle enthusiast and racer background, Jim Kent brought his passion into his own business when he opened There Cycling with Eliza Gomez. Kent charts his progress to Jonathon Harker

    THERE CYCLING was established February 2011 in West London, targeting a very specific type of customer.

    While including bike shop standards - like bicycles for sale and a full workshop - the shop was and is squarely pitched at the 'non-cyclist'. To elaborate, There Cycling is aimed at the kind of customer that doesn't 'do the lycra, reflective thing', with a quality, unhurried approach.

    Jim Kent and Eliza Gomez set the shop up together just over a year ago. Kent tells BikeBiz: "I am a big bike fan. I still race a bit in the Vets and do the odd 10 although I'm more of a 'joiner in' than a real competitor these days. My rule is to attack at least once per race, including the TTs.

    "I don't sprint any more after a nasty pile up a couple of years ago. I rode Route 66 in 2001 and the Tour of British Columbia Sportif in 2005. Last year ] cycled 850 km to Gourdon in France in three days."

    Kent then decided the time was right to try to turn his enthusiasm for the sport into a business opportunity.

    "I looked at opening a bike shop, but the market is saturated," he explains. "There is a lot of narrow differentiation which supports that view. I then looked at the figures for participation and noticed that only eight to 12 per cent of people in London cycle despite the health and economic benefits. This made me think more about the non-cyclist market," Kent elaborates. "The people who don't define themselves as a cyclist and are actually put off by the day-glo and lycra. I found the image of cyclists is one of the most powerful disincentives to non-cyclists - along with road safety and theft.

    "We are trying to add value through quality and fitness for purpose. All our bikes come with guards, carriers and most with lights. The bikes we sell fit into the buyer's portfolio of goods and reflect the aesthetic and quality of their clothes, car, furnishings, watches, etc, and make them an object of desire. So far it is working well."

    Kent is keen to emphasise how separate his customers are from the typical cycle world: "Our customers don't read Cycling Weekly and they are not in the London Cycle Campaign so we stay away from this end of it and focus on a quality machine as a lifestyle (though I hate the term) product. Women are a big segment."

    The kind of bikes the shop stocks are classic traditional bicycles made in Europe - 'top quality well built machines' says Kent. "We go for bikes that are visually attractive, resilient, low maintenance, long lasting and great to ride. An alternative to the ubiquitous Far Eastern offer.

    "We don't have a folder," he says, "and I don't think electric bikes will catch on. Too much of the health and green benefits are lost.

    "Our offer is quite distinctive. We do Pilen from Sweden and Taarnby children's bikes exclusively in the UK and we have Retrovelo from Germany. Pashley and Gazelle are more mainstream but still different enough to have clear blue water between us and the mainstream offer. It's working well. We have a great range of children's bikes too, sourced in Denmark."

    Kent's ambitions for There Cycling, staffed by a team of four (including Kent), include an e-commerce site and a second shop - both of which are well on the way to being realised, he tells BikeBiz. Kent is less prosaic about long term ambitions however, which are simply to be happy.

    48 BIKEBIZ MARCH BIKEBIZ.COM

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. custard
    Member

    We target the people that don't define themselves as a cyclist and are actually put off by day-glo and lycra

    dont the majority of bike shops?

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  3. chdot
    Admin

    "dont the majority of bike shops?"

    You might think so.

    And most shops might think so.

    This shop is in London where a lot of shops have opened because of the increase in cycle commuting.

    People who do this are more likely to wear hi viz - whether this is to be 'normal' or because shops sell hard or because people believe/think/know that cycling at commuting time is more dangerous is not clear.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. Instography
    Member

    Very sensible. I imagine the margins on the standard stuff sold by Wiggle etc are wafer thin and you'd need a really high turnover to make a profit. Selling lifestyle bikes and their accessories to a market in and around West London should turn a healthy profit.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. LaidBack
    Member

    Love the idea. All bike shops do try to engage with new cyclists don't they? I spend a lot of my time handing out free maps and plugging where to get a decent first bike.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    If this shop had been open when I was shopping for my bike I'd have been down there like a shot. At the time it was all ugly-looking hybrid commuters or scary-looking road bikes and staff who either ignored you or smirked at what you wanted (it *was* London) after all. Velorution had beautiful bikes but way way out of my comfort zone and price bracket.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. Min
    Member

    "People who do this are more likely to wear hi viz - whether this is to be 'normal' or because shops sell hard or because people believe/think/know that cycling at commuting time is more dangerous is not clear. "

    I reckon this is because of bike to work where you get "safety gear" along with the bike. I reckon most people probably think they may as well get it.

    This bike shop looks like a good idea to me. The best way to stand out from the crowd is to go niche and you obviously don't want to go too niche or you don't enough customers. Good luck to them. I'd be interested to know how expensive the stuff they sell will be though.

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  8. druidh
    Member

    I very rarely see folk wearing dayglo and lycra. That's normally two different sub-species of cyclist.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. custard
    Member

    i wonder if price is a major issue for Joe Average
    go past most(all?) bike shops, and you will see some lush bikes in the window
    I like looking at them,but to Joe its probably a bike with a price tag 10x or more what he is willing to pay
    so they decide that shop isnt for them

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. Min
    Member

    "i wonder if price is a major issue for Joe Average"

    I don't think this is a bike shop for Joe Average.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "
    I like looking at them,but to Joe its probably a bike with a price tag 10x or more what he is willing to pay
    so they decide that shop isnt for them
    "
    True, but I'd say the same passing any trainer/shoe/jewelery/etc. shop.

    I believe that there was (is?) a street in Paris where the 'shopping experience' was like Bond Street - 'if you have to ask the price...'

    There are two things here -

    Whether bike shops, deliberately or otherwise, put people off from buying there.

    Whether bike shops, deliberately or otherwise, put people off from buying bikes.

    Price is always an issue - there are plenty of people who wouldn't buy the cheapest car/phone/trainers etc. some take the same line with bikes, but others expect the sort of cheap that few 'proper' bike shops stock.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. Instography
    Member

    @druidh said "I very rarely see folk wearing dayglo and lycra. That's normally two different sub-species of cyclist."

    I have a day glo jacket over my lycra breeks.

    Min's right - this shop isn't for ordinary Joes but there's plenty of ordinary folk who'll spend a lot of money on their hobby.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "I have a day glo jacket over my lycra breeks."

    So is that a third sub-species or a sub-sub-species?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. Instography
    Member

    A whole different genus.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "A whole different genus"

    Class!!

    (Well this is CCE)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "Other well-known ranks are life, domain, kingdom, phylum, order, family, genus, and species"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_(biology)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. LaidBack
    Member

    The sort of cheap that few proper bike shops stock...? send me link!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. crowriver
    Member

    West end of London is not a typical market. The sort of people who shop in that part of London don't really mind what the price is.

    I bet Copenhagenize would approve of this shop!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    I think there is an inherent contradiction in the owner's argument, however it should not stop his venture from succeeding, I love that harry Enfield sketch where he runs a shop in west London and is really rude to the customers and charges them thousands of pounds.

    A bike shop for people who don't go into bike shops (ok run and become does it for people needing trainers who don't do jb sports)

    A bike shop that only sells dear bikes to people who don't want to associate themselves with other images of cycling. Again this only works in one street of western capital cities. Maybe that cafe in Stockbridge next to alpine bikes is edinburgh's similar venture (tho that is clearly for lycraheads)

    Having said all that I would go in for a look as I need two pashleys sovereign and guvnor in my dreams

    Posted 13 years ago #
  20. stiltskin
    Member

    This is known as marketing. As such I take anything they say with a large dollop of salt.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  21. Uberuce
    Member

    @gembo: I've had a test ride on the Sovereign and wasn't impressed. It felt a bit plastic, which given the immense solidity of the beast (24kg apparently) was a bit off. I think in fairness the problems were that the chainguard is plastic and the chain hadn't been tensioned, so it rattled like nuts over cobbles, and that the shifter for the Sturmey hub was the cheap'n'nasty kind. Tightening the chain and swapping to the metal thumb shifter would fix that.

    It did cruise along like a sir, though.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "I reckon this is because of bike to work where you get "safety gear" along with the bike. I reckon most people probably think they may as well get it."

    @min I think that's a very valid point - there's a whole new thread on a variation on this -

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5674#post-60740

    Posted 13 years ago #
  23. kaputnik
    Moderator

    So what do they sell then if they don't sell "cycling stuff"?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    Cake...

    Posted 13 years ago #

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