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Taxi Complaint Just Made

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  • Started 14 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. Dear Sirs

    I wish to log a complaint against the driver of taxi number 1178 following an incident on Lothian Road at about 8.45-8.50am today (7th April). I was heading from south to north, having set off from the lights where Earl Grey Street turns into Lothian Road. Having crossed the junction with Morrison Street / Bread Street I was in the bus lane, cycling roughly in the middle of the lane. As you are probably well aware the road surface on Lothian Road leaves a lot to be desired at the moment, especially to the left. Cycling to the left would have encouraged traffic to squeeze through, and also place me on a road surface where I would be more likely to fall off and end up under the wheels of following traffic.

    Also, there was a bus stopped at the bus stop at the Filmhouse Cinema, and so aware that I may have to move out into the right hand lane to go round the bus I was keeping a position which would make such a move easy and safe. All this time I was moving at the same pace, if not slightly quicker, than the traffic in the right hand lane, which had, a little further down, begun to stop for the red lights at the Western Approach Road junction.

    I tell you all of this to set the scene. Poor road surface, with a bus in the same lane ahead, and slightly further on traffic coming to a queuing stop.

    It was at this moment I became aware of a car VERY close behind me. I turned to see a taxi (a ‘van’ type). He was partly in the bus lane, and partly in the right hand lane. He passed me with 6 (SIX) inches to spare, moved in front of me, and then was stopped at the lights for the pedestrian crossing just after the Filmhouse (the bus having pulled away just moments before). By this time he was in the left hand lane fully. I indicated to him in his rear view mirror (showing a gap between my finger and thumb) that he had come too close.

    Just then another cyclist pulled alongside me and commented, “He did the same to me, just a bully boy.”

    As the lights turned green I couldn’t quite believe that he didn’t then move just to the right hand lane, which becomes at this point the middle of three, but to the FARTHEST right lane. There is one simple logical explanation for all of this, he had passed so closely deliberately and in full knowledge of what he was doing while in charge of a couple of tonnes of vehicle.

    When passing me, as he was straddling both lanes, there was no-one to his right impeding his progress there, and so there was no need to pass so closely. And the fact that after the incident he moved as far right as possible shows that he didn’t even need to be in the left hand lane!

    Your driver is actually fortunate on a couple of counts. Firstly I normally ride with a small video camera on my bike, and had I been doing so this morning I would have been reporting your driver to the police for attempted assault (there is recent legal precedent for this). Secondly, I’m a lawyer. The reason this makes him lucky is that, while I know all about the law on corporate culpable homicide and the consequences for his employers for his actions had I struck a pothole and ended up under his wheels, it also means that I was able to rein in any anger and the driver was able to continue his journey without losing a wing mirror. But I’ll be honest, it was a close run thing. And if I can reach his wing mirror to knock it off while he’s passing me then he is far too close.

    As it was he then got stuck in the queue of traffic. I pointed to him as I passed in the clear left hand lane, and tapped the side of my head to indicate my opinion of his mental capacity. I’m afraid I didn’t quite catch his gesture through the windscreen in return, but I can make a very good guess.

    I don’t expect that this complaint will go anywhere (as I said, your driver is very very lucky this morning firstly not to have injured or even killed someone, and secondly not to have had this matter reported to the police). But I have no doubt in my mind that the driver acted deliberately and dangerously, which is shame because on the bike I find taxi drivers to be more attentive than most (though strangely the same cannot be said when I’m driving).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. I fully expect the excuse to be 'but you were in the middle of the road!'

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. Dave
    Member

    Nice letter - let us know how it plays out (it won't go anywhere, I suspect, but it might end up as a footnote on the driver's record).

    It is one of the lesser-known natural laws that if you have a camera and leave it at home, you *will* experience carnage.

    The last time I was so lulled into a false sense of security, I was almost annihilated by a car in a left-hand turn lane who went straight on, forcing me into the oncoming traffic (with much outraged beeping on his behalf). I was on my tall bike, so he didn't even have that flimsy excuse...

    SWMBO got some verbal from a taxi driver on her way home the other day. I suggested that rather than pen a letter to the taxi company, as a lone female who felt threatened she should make a complaint along those lines to the police instead, as an assault. Without witnesses it probably wouldn't go anywhere either but a police investigation would certainly be a bigger stick (she couldn't be bothered though).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. davidmhodgey
    Member

    Nice! I wish I had your restraint - I've been known to attack cars :s

    Posted 14 years ago #
  5. Min
    Member

    I felt like breaking the wing mirror of a woman who undertook me as I turned right yesterday but settled for a hand gesture instead when I inevitably overtook her at the queue of traffic just round the corner.

    I think we probably don't complain enough and that is why drivers just keep on doing what they do. One of the problems of course is that it is a load of hassle. One of the others is that it can be very difficult to get any licence details when someone has almost killed you.

    There is always this website to report near misses. The idea is to find out just how common these incidents are since they do not otherwise come to the attention of the authorities.

    http://www.stop-smidsy.org.uk/

    I will be interested to hear what the taxi firm has to say! Probably something about how they take road safety very seriously and all their drivers are perfect so you must be wrong..

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. Gresham Flyer
    Member

    This is my first post and unfortunately it is contrary to the posts above, so I am not sure how it will be received. Anyway, here goes:

    Anth At Work, if I am to understand your letter/ post correctly: You were cycling in the city centre in the bus/ taxi/ bicycle lane, a taxi approached behind you, pulled out, overtook you (closer than you felt comfortable with) and once passed you he pulled back in front of you, waited at a red light and then pulled away, changing lanes as he did. He had passed another cyclist, similarly close, just prior to this. You twice gestured to him whilst he was stationary, and he retorted once with a gesture you could not see.

    You say "There is one simple logical explanation for all of this". Here are some other simple logical explanations: The taxi driver was going about his daily business, dealing with city traffic, overtook a bike and then while waiting to turn left onto the Western Approach Road got a call for a pickup in the Grassmarket or whilst waiting at the lights he changed his mind and decided to take a different route. Either way thinks "that cyclist I passed has twice gestured to me about something, tsk, typical."
    I would imagine that although he noticed you the taxi driver has far better things to do with his time than play chicken with bikes on Lothian road.

    I am all for kicking the wing of the car that cuts you up or banging the side of the van that pulls out in front of you from a side road, but I fail to see what this taxi driver has done wrong legally or otherwise except maybe get a little closer than you thought he should when passing you.

    If you cycle regularly in the city, which you clearly do, surely this is normal traffic conditions? Whilst keeping a safe distance is wise drivers cannot be expected to drive as if every cyclist is about to fall off their bike or every pedestrian about to fall off the kerb into the road.

    I am a cyclist, I cycle through the city everyday, I feel if this has caused you to write a letter, as a city cyclist you must be writing about 4 a day.

    My preferred cycling method is to assume I am invisible and expect no other road users to see me, and cycle accordingly.

    Anyway, ho hum, isnt the weather getting better, nice for cycling.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    @PWNelson

    Welcome

    "This is my first post and unfortunately it is contrary to the posts above, so I am not sure how it will be received."

    Don't worry, this is a remarkably civilised forum.

    Anth likes a debate...

    Posted 14 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "My preferred cycling method is to assume I am invisible and expect no other road users to see me, and cycle accordingly."

    That is an interesting concept.

    I'm sure most people cycle with the assumption that they will be seen, try to be prepared for when they are not seen (or ignored) and then react with resignation or anger.

    I'm starting a new thread for this.

    Thanks

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. Dave
    Member

    Hopefully nobody feels they can't post just because they don't agree, everyone is entitled to an opinion (even if they don't ride a bike).

    :-)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  10. Smudge
    Member

    @PWNelson I follow your reasoning, but following cycles or motorbikes too closely is a common form of bad driving/aggression, passing to close is bad driving/stupid depending on the other factors (room available, speed involved, road surface/conditions etc). Chopping back in front is also careless/bad driving.

    Anth is big enough and experienced enough only to be annoyed, mnany other cyclists however would be frightened and intimidated into not cycling in town/heavy traffic.

    Just because it is common in no way makes it acceptable, and polite complaint is one way that driver attitudes can be changed.

    Whether to complain is up to the individual, but speaking as a formerly full time professional driver, now occaisional, the description is of lazy and unprofessional driving below that expected of (most) commercial drivers.

    Buses used to be terrible for frightening cyclists, people complained, over time management attitudes changed, and now when I ride in town I am generally pleasantly surprised how courteous and considerate the drivers are. If enough people object when taxi driver behave badly/carelessly then their attitudes/levels of consideration will also be changed, it will not be overnight but it *can* be done.

    Equally, I would expect us, and other road users to complain long and loud about cyclists infractions, and come the day I see Police Officers booking cyclists for jumping red lights (for example) I will be the first to congratulate them.

    But like the others say, cutting to the chase, welcome to the forum :)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. spytfyre
    Member

    after being knocked off a couple of times I have taken to cycling defisively most of the time and assuming I am invisible yes
    if anyone pissed me off by say, sitting in the ASL or on the cycle lane to get past the people waiting to turn right (this happens at the top of Ardmillan Terrace a lot) I tend to empty my Air Zound horn at them, oh yeah they hear that through a closed passenger window, then I tend to scream at them about the blatant bawbaggery of their behaviour, if I have any oxygen left in my lungs that is

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. spytfyre
    Member

    after being knocked off a couple of times I have taken to cycling defisively most of the time and assuming I am invisible yes
    if anyone pissed me off by say, sitting in the ASL or on the cycle lane to get past the people waiting to turn right (this happens at the top of Ardmillan Terrace a lot) I tend to empty my Air Zound horn at them, oh yeah they hear that through a closed passenger window, then I tend to scream at them about the blatant bawbaggery of their behaviour, if I have any oxygen left in my lungs that is

    Posted 14 years ago #
  13. Bagger
    Member

    I have experienced this kind of behaviour from taxi drivers - like they are trying to make a point, or intimidate me.

    Has anyone else noticed the increase in shockingly bad driving by the private hire cars? They seem to have multiplied and forgotten the rules of the road....

    Posted 14 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    YUP. Just what I said here a few weeks ago.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  15. MeepMeep
    Member

    Just had a run-in with 1048 on Corstorphine Road and up into the junction of Belgrave Road that I'm about to complain about. The first thing I did when I came home was wrote up his taxi number, type of cab, the time, a description of the driver and (what I have tried to keep) an unbiased log of events.

    I've refrained from noting down the discourse. Mine was particularly unbecoming of a lady. *blush*

    Also had a silver Focus cut me up and then deliberately swerve back into my path on Morrison Street too. I must have had an 'intimidate me' sign on or something!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Nelly
    Member

    meepmeep - nope, its just friday syndrome.

    I was called a f***in p***k this evening for having the audacity to question a white van driver on his attempt to do the wee cheeky right turn into wardlaw terrace (where there is no right turn into robertson avenue) while I was riding straight across.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. splitshift
    Member

    handle bar mounted machine guns?..................not such a bad idea !

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. LivM
    Member

    No, handle-bar mounted water pistol filled with nitromors. Or just a paint roller with nitromors on, mounted at right angles behind saddle, with a reach of whatever you feel is "ooh that's a bit close".

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. splitshift
    Member

    i like !

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. 14Westfield
    Member

    Ive often thought a can of spray paint on the rear rack would be great for this - if someone passes close enough to make me uncomfortable it close enough to get a smear of paint down their side . .

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. wingpig
    Member

    Remember that EEN commenters and EdinCycleChic are readers.

    When one can be threatened with being punched in the face by a BMW driver just because I'd tapped lightly with a gloved hand on his back wing (after he kindly placed it within reach so I didn't have to stretch) I imagine they might not even stop to threaten if an actual vandalism had occurred.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. Numptie
    Member

    Have you noticed that the taxi number on private hire cars is on a plate slightly lager than a business card. No way you are going to be able to read it never mind remember it.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    handle-bar mounted water pistol filled with nitromors.

    Even on a windless day, if you are going at any speed, or the car passing too close is, that's a recipe for blinding yourself or at the very least stripping the paint off your bike...

    Mounted to the rear axle might just work: need to rig a cable/air pressure/hydraulic system to trigger from the handlebars.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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