What colour is your bike, IWRATS?
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Today's rubbish cycling
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It's silver Frenchy but I wouldn't be seen dead in Craigmount and I'm a reasonably competent housebreaker.
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Well, the suspect didn't seem to have any problems breaking in. It's only after that things went awry..
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@unhurt
The beer was on the outside of the cyclist. Let it go.
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An unexpected image of @Iwrats singing tunes from Disney's Frozen there.
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Me today it would seem with two examples -
1. At the crossing of Barnton Ave/Crammond Rd Sth, an elderly gentleman on his bike took exception to me passing him (slowly I should add) whilst he was stationary in a queue of traffic and I was joining the cycle path on the right hand side, telling me I should have used my bell to warn him I was there. Jury's probably out on that one but if he was planning the same move there was certainly no shoulder check or signal on his part.
2. Filtered through to the ASL on Melville Street just as the lights changed. Besides startling the other rider in the box, the white van occupying most of the ASL revved to move off just as I appeared in front of him. With hindsight I should have held back but his presence there annoyed me and I intended to make a point (an empty one if I was flattened in the process!!)
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Apart from a brief wait at the red light from Charlotte Square to George Street, on my way home today I shared the road with someone who went through every light, along every tram track and didn't get from the West End to near the bottom of Leith Walk any faster than someone being entirely legal. I was in a hurry, but that just meant that I dismounted and walked round the corner from George Street to North St David Street, whereas Mr Turnip whooshed through awheel. At Pilrig Street I thought he was going to do one of those pretend oh-my-brakes-aren't-working-and-that's-why-I-went-over-the-line sorts of thing, but then he took an early green and almost hit a PHC taking a late green from the left. It's not clear on the video but he sailed through the red fro Lothian Road to Princes Street irrespective of the passage of crosswise things and went along the tram track on York Place.
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Deckard, I get the thing about wanting to make a point to people sitting in the bike box. like, can they NOT pay attention and stop in time? they seem to stop ok when the line doesn't have a bike box.
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Me, rubbishly not cycling in Pentlands as a planned because I woke up with a frozen shoulder yesterday and it hasn't gone away. There's only so much ibuprofen and lying on a spiky ball a person wants to do...
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https://swd.media/lothian/edinburgh-central/cyclist-police-officer-argue-right-way-1-12243/
Or possibly rubbish driving not sure but would guess rubbish cycling
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My take is that cyclist would potentially have right of way were they approaching from the segregated path. They weren't therefore they were considered road traffic. However the policeperson needs to actually look at the cycle infra outside their branch office and see how it works before dishing out criticism.
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They weren't therefore they were considered road traffic.
Even then, the driver has to give way to the cyclist.
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Aye, right enough. Unless cyclist used left hand to point to path and was mistaken for a left turn.
Maybe I'm being too kind. It could also, of course, be punishment behaviour for incorrectly perceived use of infra.
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I didn't have the sound on for the argument, so I don't know if the officer was otherwise unreasonable, but I don't see how the cyclist could have had right of way. You can't get the right of way afforded to a road (or path) that you're not currently on simply by pointing at it from an adjacent road. In their mind they perhaps feel like they were on the path the whole time and just cutting a corner, or 'merged' back onto it, but objectively they turned right off the path onto the road, turned left onto a side road and then were attempting to make a right turn back onto the path, giving oncoming traffic (the van) right of way. (At best, this might create the ambiguity that you get when you have two give way lines opposite each other, but I'm pretty sure that even in this situation right turning traffic should give way.) The van appears to be ready to give way to them if they proceed along the main road, but continues the turn as the cyclist bears left.
It's reasonable that you might wish to leave the path and cut the corner there, but in doing so you surrender the right of way the path has and create the impression to outside observers you don't intend to immediately rejoin it.
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After the T-junction, there's a gap in the kerbing for cycle path 'late joiners' which the cyclist could have used thereby avoiding the confusion. For me, file under rubbish cycling.
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It would have been fairly clear (IMO) that there was a high chance the cyclist was taking the cycle path. Would it have hurt the driver to wait 1-2 secs to make sure before exiting from the first give way.
I have been driving for 30 years and cycling for 35 and I would have given way in my car - driving error for me
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The police van driver was already moving forward to the second give way line after letting the pedestrians cross (which was good/correct driving of course) before the cyclist even crosses the line of studs demarking the boundary of the toucan. I don't see what else the police driver was expected to do, barring being a mindreader. Even if the van driver had understood the cyclist's belated intentions from whatever gesture was made, the cyclist still didn't have priority over the van for what had, through poor route choices, become a defacto right turn across a white line. Poor usage of the available infrastructure.
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Mine this morning crossing the junction of Hanover Street and George Street, travelling East to West on George Street. That is the junction that is blocked off now to traffic. Thought the traffic was stopped as I started across but a car was turning right from Eastbound George Street to Southbound Hanover Street, coming around the huge sightline-blocking statue so that I had to apply brakes, then dash across before the southbound Hanover Street traffic got going. Poor form on my part.
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Fwiw that right turn onto the segregated path by St Leonard's is pretty tricky if you are articulated with an extra bike or trailer - I very often take the route the cyclist took. I don't really the think the driver did anything wrong though - it seems like a bit of a non-event - not really sure what prompted the comment about not using the road. What the cyclist did was pretty understandable, as is what the driver did in my opinion.
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I was nearly involved in my first bicycle crash in several years after having mistaken the bell-ringing noises under the first of the Wester Hailes bridges as being the sound of the bell of the person cycling ahead of me as opposed, as it turned out, to being the bell of someone cycling in the other direction. I was cutting the near corner of the bridge a little too tightly given that I was heading west, only to be confronted with the other cyclist about to exit into the side of me. Luckily there was just enough space for them to slow/squeeze into the wall to avoid contact.
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Last night on the NEPN approaching the red bridge was the brightest light I've ever seen:
I told them their light was too bright, only to be offered a, what sounded like a, 'Oh F*&^ off' in response. Nice.
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Drunk, cycling on platform, no brakes on bike, knocks pensioner over injuring him. Jail though? Surely 240 hours community service?
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Me, impatient, over took a van and the bus, stopped at a bus stop, which the van was waiting behind. Probably shouldn't have.
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Well a bit of taboo subject may be but think sentencing relates to “privilege” being both young and male he would need to be middle class or have a what the judge deemed a good career.
If was sentenced as female middle class professional then yes community service. But adjust the sentence for being male for being young, for possibly being "foreign", and for being working class job, then equates to jail.
If was female or was older, had a better job may have scrapped by on community service. There is little equality consideration in sentencings , some people say sentencing can be discriminatory
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Getting in danger of thread drift, this type of discrimination means people lose their right to vote in part due to protected characteristics. Why the UK government’s failure to implement prisoners votes also creates equality issues.
2 people commit the same crime one may be say a middle age female medical doctor and not awarded prison as "too brilliant a mind" "would not be the in the public interest" etc. etc. yet a young male low class mechanic or something, ( who may be brilliant in their field) gets jail and loses their vote.
The judges are often biased in considering if jail may damage someone's career, so some people spared jail on that basis. The judges own personal prejudice as to what constitutes a career worth saving may be typically professional.
It seems votes are removed on choice of employment, gender, age, rather than just based on the level of crime, possibly too controversial but possibly race/nationally bias if not directly at least because some groups may have greater numbers of low paid manual workers who status does not make them to importantly.
There should be data collected by characteristics and judges profiled to see how sentences compare on protected characteristics (and other characteristics) so could compare regions and judges and what level of tariff was imposed of possible sentences and how this compares between groups. Could look at the sentencing guidance and then categorise which range.
UK government failure to give prisoners votes in breach of human rights act 12 years after European court of human rights ruled that it was unlawful also has diversity implications as to groups who have had their votes removed. A trouble with brexit would it be in the public interest to give uk government unhindered control of the law, not the best (or worst) record in Europe when comes to human rights.
Issues of principles Uk government takes some peoples votes away in part on protected characteristics then they can’t vote government out. Of course someone may have committed a crime but if was look at like Maths the crimes would both be cancelled out for each group compared (if the same for sake of comparison) then it’s just variable of characteristic remaining that determines if vote removed.
What if the government passed a law saying if you vote for the opposition party a crime then all the other votes to go jail and cant vote.
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"A trouble with brexit would it be in the public interest to give uk government unhindered control of the law, not the best (or worst) record in Europe when comes to human rights."
Yes. Incompetence with authoritarian coating is current flavour from WM.Continuing thread drift...! Mrs LB points out that state pensions here are a mere 29% of average earnings. That is incredibly low for a 'developed' country. OK - pensioners do get a free bus pass to make up the missing £millions! (NL pensions are closer to 100% of average wage - how do they do it with so few resources? :-)
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I made some bad route choices on the way home today and subjected myself to many more cobbobobbobobled streets than the minimum required to reach the Cumberland.
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Lot of setts round that way wingpig
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@wingpig - Cumberland Bar? Monday night beer sounds like good idea but maybe you were just doing a fly by?
Old owner used to cycle in every day on a Revolution CourierPosted 6 years ago #
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