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Today's rubbish cycling

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  1. Stickman
    Member

    Last night I really thought I was about to witness a fatality.

    I was heading west towards Roseburn, cyclist ahead in the inside lane. There was a large truck signalling to turn left at the Tesco. I knew from the light sequencing that the left turn filter was just about to turn green. The cyclist went up the inside of the truck just as it turned green. Fortunately the driver must have been more aware than the cyclist as they didn't start moving until the bike went past. I doubt the cyclist even realised the danger they had just put themselves in.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  2. jdanielp
    Member

    Shortly after having crossed the Slateford Aqueduct this morning, I became aware of someone cycling behind me a I was getting back up to speed. Moments later, despite the fact that an oncoming cyclist was maybe five seconds away from from passing me, I heard a voice to my rear-right as the cyclist behind started to overtake at speed. Whilst I appreciated being made aware of the overtake, the timing of it was terrible so I shouted some criticism after them. Luckily everything worked out fine for all three of us, but the overtaker hadn't allowed any margin for error.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  3. Ed1
    Member

  4. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    In half of the instances in the video, the pedestrians have right of way because they're already on the road. In the other half, I don't really see the problem - I use my bell a few times and then resort to my airzound when they inevitably don't hear me or just flat out ignore me.

    Recent example:

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    Posted 5 months ago #
  5. the canuck
    Member

    i hate that construction area.

    but what i really want are stickers to put on all the 'road closed' signs.
    my stickers will say, "to motor vehicles" because the road is, in fact, open to everyone else.

    but, as i don't have a passport yet...

    Posted 5 months ago #
  6. SRD
    Moderator

    was heading into view forth junction coming from town. several cars and a cyclist in queue. lights changing. cyclist on the phone. i charged ahead on the left, only to have cyclist veer over out of centre of lane into my lane. 'on your left' i cried. only to have him apologise profusely.

    got home, and discovered that said polite cyclist wasmy new next door neighbour, so we had a nice chat.

    maybe we need a 'rubbish but polite' thread...

    Posted 5 months ago #
  7. fimm
    Member

    Someone may have gone to the EdFoc events and then gone for a beer and then discovered that as the bike they have come on isn't their usual utility bike they don't have any lights with them... oops.

    Yes, I did cycle home anyway - it wasn't pitch dark but I would have used lights if I'd had them. I have now put some lights into my pannier.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  8. the canuck
    Member

    i hate them, but have total respect for people who can chat/text while cycling and remain upright. i nearly go over when i do shoulder checks.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  9. wingpig
    Member

    Two whooshing morons in racing-costumes overtaking heading west whilst going through the NMW/MMW/Jawbone junction when me and the person in front of me were slowing down and watching/waiting for peds/traffic from other directions.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  10. jdanielp
    Member

    The MTB rider who looked like they were going to pull in between the two cyclists they were overtaking to let me pass, but instead decided to overtake the second cyclist as well at the last moment as I was speeding up heading towards them soon after exiting the Slateford Aqueduct.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Someone may have gone to the EdFoc events and then gone for a beer and then discovered that as the bike they have come on isn't their usual utility bike they don't have any lights with them

    Ah yes, the Ride of Shame. I do at least one every year, convinced that by being tipsy I am rendered invisible to police but highly visible to motorists.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  12. If my experiences are anything to go by the standard of cycling on our roads and paths is dropping like that of lothian bus drivers.

    Perhaps this is the cost of what to me is a large increase in the number of bikes on our roads

    Theres not a day goes by when I'm not tempted to stop and offer someone some free tuition.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  13. the canuck
    Member

    i had a complete brain fart on one of the paths the other day--i was behind two walkers, the path ahead was forking, i didn't know which way they were going, and decided to just slow down and wait.

    another cyclist was coming towards me and the walkers moved to allow him to go by, but rather than moving myself, i just slowed down. other cyclist had to go on the grass. not the end of the world, but i did realise that possibly i needed to eat something very soon before i rode into a tree.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  14. wingpig
    Member

    Monday evening: someone turns out of Castle Street onto Princes Street and heads west up the eastbound lane. They were wearing something like a hoody which came down over their eyes with eyeholes in and a larger hood over the top. Slightly later, the usual selection of dingbats in the Leith Street northbound exit sitting right in the way of people wanting to enter going south.

    Tuesday evening: Lumos-Helmet Radio-Pannier man making his annoying tinny way north along the Roseburn path and increasing his name to Lumos-Helmet Pedestrian-Ignoring Radio-Pannier Turnip. Slightly later, a different careless whooshbasket went a-weaving through the pedestrians in the Rodney Street tunnel at far too great a speed for them to have felt safe.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  15. ejstubbs
    Member

    https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1008425489621544960

    It's behaviour like this that makes me ponder whether the current regime of non-regulation of cycle races on public roads can really be sustained. I know all sorts of arguments in favour but I can't help thinking that when people do things like this they're taking the p!55 to an unacceptable degree and - in the way so beloved of governments - we'll end up with a crack-down on everyone.

    I've just come back from ten days in the Dolomites. There were cyclists everywhere but I never saw anything as stupid as that.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  16. fimm
    Member

    Oh, it's the horse.
    ejstubbs. That's a triathlon, not a cycle race. Cycle races are regulated to within an inch of not being able to run at all. Triathlons are less regulated I believe, because triathlons are run as time trials and not with drafting packs. The organisers of any event on the road will have to inform the police; in fact I know of one triathlon that no longer runs because it was impossible to come to a compromise between the police and the organiser as to what was a suitable bike route.

    I'm getting as fed up with being tarred with the same triathlete brush because of a few idiots as I am with being a Bloody Cyclist.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  17. acsimpson
    Member

    fimm, I'm not sure that being a triathlon makes much difference. At first glance this looked like a sportive to me, There was certainly a large enough bunch to suggest that they were drafting.

    Although some levels of road races are heavily regulated sportives are often run on open roads and some riders take them very seriously.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  18. fimm
    Member

    It was more ejstubbs statement that there is a "current regime of non-regulation of cycle races on public roads" that I wished to disagree with.

    They should not have been that close together; you can be given a time penalty for drafting; the rules are well defined.

    And while a sportive is not, officially, a race, a triathlon is.

    None of this is condone buzzing a horse like that, just to explain a bit what was going on.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  19. deckard112
    Member

    Any event like this requires consent from the local authority and in the case of competitive events, police approval too under the Cycle Racing on Highways (Scotland) Regulations 1960 (similar legislation exists in rUK)

    Full risk assessments have to be carried out for those parties and also for the regulatory bodies (usually British/Scottish Cycling or British Triathlon in this particular case). This is to ensure events are operated to a high standard and also because those bodies usually provide the insurance requirements.

    These Risk Assessments include sign and marshal placement which must be adhered to.

    As a result, most events are incredibly well run. What you cannot legislate for are peoples stupid actions as in this case.

    The fact it occurred during a triathlon event in some respects isn't relevant. These idiots could just have easily been on a training ride or club ride. So to call for greater regulation or a ban on events on public roads does not solve any problem. Getting roads closed for an event is a logistical nightmare and very expensive, generally receiving greater opposition.

    Cycling events whether racing or not have taken place safely on open roadsfor well over 120 years, even in the period of car domination from 1960s onwards. There are hundreds of events that take place every week up and down the country with no issues.

    What is comforting in this case is that the Horse Riding community appears to understand this incident is not reflective of all cyclists and that we share similar dangers as vulnerable road users.

    I think Human Race's response has been the right one and hopefully these morons will be identified, helped by the fact this was an organised event.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  20. wingpig
    Member

    Having first seen this on the Facebook of a horse-owning associate from uni, it is apparent that horse-riding people get the same sort of "road tax" garbage from the motor-centric as do suspected cyclists, and that horse users have similarly detailed knowledge of the Highway Code.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  21. Cyclops
    Member

    Two pairs of cyclists on tandems who had been stopped on the City Bypass around 6.30pm by some bemused policemen at the top of the long climb from the Gilmerton to Straiton junctions. It's a miracle they'd got that far without someone hitting them!

    Posted 5 months ago #
  22. acsimpson
    Member

    I blame google, and people's desire to follow lines created by it. google seem to have taken to drawing such lines along the bypass for cyclists.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    google seem to have taken to drawing such lines along the bypass for cyclists.

    It absolutely refuses to suggest a route for me that goes on the bypass. This caused me an embarrassing amount of confusion a week ago when I was planning a car journey and forgot to change it to the driving setting.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  24. ejstubbs
    Member

    @deckard112: So to call for greater regulation or a ban on events on public roads does not solve any problem.

    For clarity: I did not call for greater regulation or a ban. The point I was trying to make (not very well, obviously) was that the kind of behaviour shown in the video is the sort of thing that can all to easily lead to other people demanding such restrictions.

    That the organisers of the competition during which the incident took place are investigating it is to be applauded. Given the horse rider's comments about not being aware that the event was taking place, I think they might consider including in that investigation a review of their signage policy.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  25. wingpig
    Member

    Two cycle-people emerging the wrong way from Rutland Place onto Lothian Road, simpering benignly at the car turning in which beeped at them.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  26. jonty
    Member

    "It absolutely refuses to suggest a route for me that goes on the bypass."

    I think it seems to vary a lot. It often seems to be a bit of a gamble as to whether it suggests eg. a left turn up the Mound or a drive along Princes Street. Perhaps it's based on real usage data..?

    Posted 5 months ago #
  27. Frenchy
    Member

    Perhaps it's based on real usage data..?

    Perhaps to some extent, but they certainly have control over whether a route is allowed or not. Long after the A90 path upgrade was finished, Google Maps still suggested people cycle the detour round Dalmeny estate. Once reported, this was fixed relatively quickly.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  28. acsimpson
    Member

    Ah, I may have to take back what I said.

    I was using bikehike which sources it's route data from Google. However it appears that in the options there is a setting for using google or OSM. Below that you can select driving, walking or cycling. However when google is selected you can't choose cycling.

    So the problem is much more specific than I though. Bikehike's default settings will assume you are driving and route you accordingly.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  29. deckard112
    Member

    @ejstubbs - sorry, wasn't suggesting you personally were calling for a ban. Was more highlighting the extent of the regulation required to organise an event.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  30. jdanielp
    Member

    The cap wearing person on the towpath this evening who was pootling along and cycling quite reasonably, before taking exception to the person ahead of me overtaking them, quickly catching back up, overtaking them dangerously and then keeing us both behind by using their rearview mirror and weaving.

    Posted 5 months ago #

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