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Today's rubbish cycling

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  1. Frenchy
    Member

    Without grabbing a calculator and a textbook, I was under the impression that the whole point of measuring gaps between road users in seconds rather than metres is that the necessary gap becomes speed-independent - and so will be roughly the same for a bike and a car.

    Having said that, it is (usually) easier to take evasive action whilst on a bike, and the consequences of a collision are (usually) lower. Regardless, unless you know the person in front is comfortable with it, you really shouldn't be wheel sucking. The very act of realising someone is uncomfortably close behind them could cause them to crash or slam on the brakes.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    I occasionally take a tow off fellow commuters and even sometimes give a tow. This is from people I recognise but don't know. Once I misread bonhomie of the road and the person I took the row from was not happy, when I took my turn at the front but they were too tired to keep up. Not sure it merited as big a deal as was made about it but it is a judgement call between wheel sucking and comradely tow.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    I reckon on keeping at least 3 or 4 bike lengths back from any unknown rider in front. It depends on the path though, a narrower path and higher speeds will entail a larger gap.

    That distance gives me enough view of what is coming up to slow down in plenty of time for any upcoming obstacles. Or if the cyclist in front had to perform an emergency stop (Or had a mechanical) I would have time to react.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. stiltskin
    Member

    Personally, I don't see the point in close proximity riding on a cyclepath
    Firstly, you shouldn't really be riding at a speed which means that drafting has an effect. Secondly, if you are not drafting what is the point in riding so close that safety even becomes an issue. I admit I get really annoyed with wheel suckers on a path,it's just unnecessary.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. Klaxon
    Member

    Rubbish bikes, not rubbish cycling

    A couple were descending the steep pitch of Pleasance on hired touring bikes when the trailer attached to one toppled over without even hitting a pothole.

    Inspection of the trailer showed it to be in my opinion unmaintained and dangerous. Lots of wobbly and loose bits. I saw them cycle off and the bar connecting the seat tube to the trailer platform wasn't rigidly attached allowing the platform to steer itself rapidly from side to side in an uncontrolled fashion.

    It was no wonder it fell over. I didn't get the name of the shop.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. MediumDave
    Member

    Me. Somehow became entangled in the bike at the junction of Esslemont Road and Gordon Terrace, hitting the deck "quite spectacularly" in the words of the rider (and all-round good egg) following. Being a doctor he kindly verified that I had not done myself too much damage. Just a few grazes and a ripped trouser leg.

    Now sitting at my desk smearing bits of myself in TCP. First Brexit and now this.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. jdanielp
    Member

    Me almost crashing into a pedestrian as I cycled home on NMW. The pedestrian did abruptly change direction across the cycle lane without looking but I would normally have anticipated this and slowed down, changed direction, rung my bell or a combination of these things.. However, I was still contemplating the referendum and only just managed to shout a warning as I slammed on the brakes and weaved around him without quite making contact, but it was close.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. I groaned as I popped out into Holyrood Park last night and realised there was a club run going the same way as me to Duddingston Village. I whinged to the Edinburgh RC twitter feed, as 75% of the riders had their club kit - appears it's not officially one of their rides, but hopefully 'someone' might have a word.

    Basically as soon as Duddingston Village is hit they hop onto the pavement (two went the same way as me through the back of the village - aka the sensible route when the traffic is heavy). The thing is that's a particularly narrow path, with parked cars on one side, hedges and walls on the other, and a blind corner to navigate. Any pedestrian coming the other way and it's a stand-off.

    Out the other end and the route is shown to be no quicker, as they're all just emerging. Jumping off the pavement into the main road no matter what cars are traveling along. One guy cuts me off completely as I seek to roll up to the junction, and he pulls out of that junction, also in front of a car passing. It was like a badly behaved swarm.

    All the way down the road to the Duddingston Crossroads they were all over the road (this wasn't a drilled, perfectly reasonable side-by-side, the lack of road sense was palpable). They then positioned themselves all higgledy-piggledy amongst the cars at the lights. Some in the ASL, some to either side of parked cars, tucking into gaps shorter than the bikes.

    And all of this getting them in place no quicker than a bloke with a backpack on.

    Half a mile on (as they headed onto Milton Road and I carried on into Duddingston), I get a fast and close punishment pass from a driver who had been surrounded by them as they moved down the road. 2 + 2 possibly = 5, but it seemed a heck of a coincidence (not absolving the driver, but just that actions of others having an impact on my safety riles me up).

    I've seen this ride, with many ERC jerseys, riding this way quite a few times in the past (hence my initial reaction groan). Just strikes as arrogant machismo for the most part.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. *sigh*

    Driving first thing to drop the car off at a garage. 20 zone, chap in jeans, on a BSO ahead. I stay a distance behind through the road narrowings at a junction, at about 11mph. I speed up, to 20mph, move out a good distance, with plenty time to pass.

    Just as I'm alongside he takes his hands off the bars to sort tucking his t-shirt back in or something. This causes him to swerve really far to the right, coming within a couple of inches of the car, and prompts him to wave in anger at me.

    It's actually only because I was driving sensibly that there wasn't an incident!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. PS
    Member

    and prompts him to wave in anger at me.

    It's interesting that most of us seem to be programmed to react by blaming the other party in any incident even when we're clearly to blame [just to be clear, WC, I'm not saying that's you in this case ;-) ]. It explains so many behaviours on the roads, both from cyclists and drivers. It's probably intensified by the lack of personal contact/anonymity of the situation.

    It must be cultural.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    Human nature. See also what happens after you have been knocked off by a driver. He apologises, accepts responsibility, drives you home etc. Then later, when insurance required starts denying it. Always stay down, always get witnesses and emergency services etcetera

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. BurningCitreon
    Member

    By Evan cycle shop at Fountainbridge, I'm driving heading out of town, a cyclist come from the pavement from the other side of the road - it looks like he is about to cut right infront of me so I stop, and he stops. So he is in the middle of one carriageway, I'm stopped in the other carriageway. The pedestrian lights a few metres infront of us are red so he's not blocking anything.

    My window is down, so I say to "on you go", letting him carry on his way, I'm in no rush to get to a red light.
    So the cyclist say "You go"
    I say "You're in the middle of the road, you go ahead" , thinking of his safety, since there are a few cars behind me. What happens next;

    "You're a ***....just * move." He shouts. The road ahead is empty, I'm not blocking him.
    "That's OK, just go on, you'll be safer."
    "Are you * daft?"
    "No, are you?" I ask.
    "You calling me daft?"
    "I'm letting you go, what's your problem?"
    So he cycles to the pedestrian crossing and stops at the now green light, gets off his bike, stands infront of the car shouts "What you going to do now?"
    "Wait here." I said. A couple of people in other cars find there horns at this point.
    "Your car is pish, what a pish car" He says.
    "Good, thanks for letting me know." I told him. There is room for me to move around him, so I start to move and he calls me a few more abusive names and then pushes get on his bike.

    Hopefully I'll meet him sometime when I'm not in my pish car.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. Arellcat
    Moderator

    RULES No personal insults. No swearing.

    Even if he was rather more direct than some.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    That altercation could so easily just have been a bit of good natured banter. Margins are narrow in the angry modern world.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. LaidBack
    Member

    Seems like he was spoiling for a fight and you confused him with a reasonable, considered response. You even got other members of the driving tribe sounding off for staying calm. Not surprised you posted.

    This seems like a case of an angry person looking for another person to vent some anger on. I wonder if he would have reacted same way as a pedestrian?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. gembo
    Member

    Lot of ins lot of outs, I propose the cyclist was drunk or stoned and banged off the pavement into middle of road. Car stopping for him was not fitting his world view at the time. All the rest of the malarkey is caused by substance use

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. Beano
    Member

    Me this morning. Cycling along cowgate and heard a loud roaring airplane noise overhead...an unusual sound in the city centre. Looking up (silly idea) I headed slightly left and then collided with a roadworks sign. I stayed up but did have a wee chuckle to myself. Light was at red, like my face, so jumped off the bike, picked up the sign and hopped back on all before the light hit green :-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. paulmilne
    Member

    Me on Saturday - right at the start of my ride, looked down at my chainring for a fraction too long, next the I knew I was in a hedge.

    Could have been worse, I was moving slowly on a cycle path well away from traffic. Moral of the story, never ever look at your chainring.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. Green shorted male who visited Pulsant at South Gyle this morning. Needs to cycle a wee bit more couteously on shared paths.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. earthowned
    Member

    For shame it was me this morning whilst waiting at the new crossing on Buccleuch St. I had a slow motion clipless moment where I fell heavily on my wrist.

    A loud FFS was exclaimed which the cyclist in front possibly thought was directed at him, or the car dithering in the junction of Buccleuch Terrace.

    If the cyclist was you then apologies once again!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. gembo
    Member

    @earthowned, dems de breaks

    So very common that it is More confession of commute or rubbish track standing? Anyway hope your wrist is not damaged. Have some ibuprofen and maybe some red eye whisky for the pain? ( oh wait I have strayed into The great JD Souther number Doolin Dalton and red eye whisky don't kill the pain). Go with red wine one glass medicinal if y want to.

    JD was in the early version of the Eagles but left before they started copying Neil Young and made 300 million dollars. So JD retained credability but on the cash front (he is no Rockefeller which is an example of Leitotes).

    Hopefully with this thread drift I have distracted you from the pain?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. LaidBack
    Member

    We should start a thread called 'Thread Drift' in your honour Gembo...

    Meanwhile back in the frenetic world of urban road worriers...

    Slightly bad cycling by me down MMW. Looking behind me to check my luggage I errantly strayed into the path of a human powered projectile.

    Said projectile rightly gave me comment but then headed straight towards people strolling across the path near the top where it widens out.
    He did several big shouts of "BIIIKE" as he attempted to cycle through them. I agree they shouldn't be on the path but approaching at such a high speed shouting at them doesn't really achieve much other than increased anger levels.
    It's the equivalent of driving towards people that happen to be in your way.

    Maybe just me but I just go round pedestrians as I've given up trying to enforce sometimes empty bike paths. I now re-apply my energy to staying clear of congested areas even if I'm 'in the right'. If they are on the bike side I'll just cut onto the pedestrian side (which is safer when empty but illegal).

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. gembo
    Member

    Pedestrians allowed on the bike side but not vice versa.

    Meanwhile in mean streets of colinton some cyclista in their twenties appear to have pushed some old bowlers in their late sixties and mid eighties to the pavement? According to BBC news website.

    On same website cyclists to be fined if going over twenty in a twenty zone (obviously this is not actually legal) oh wait going over twenty and not able to stop.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. stiltskin
    Member

    On same website cyclists to be fined if going over twenty in a twenty zone (obviously this is not actually legal) oh wait going over twenty and not able to stop.
    Yes. That seems to be a strange sentence in the article, almost like it was parachuted in. Did some journo raise the question at the press conference? ( in the interests of promoting some cyclist hate?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    Where are the places in the twenty mph zones that folk on here reckon they could get over 20 mph?

    Personally I would need a long straight empty stretch of road. Thus I can easily get over 20 on the descent from gillespies X-road to longstone indeed several of us were doing so yesterday without pedalling. But that has two lanes and is 40mph limit. It has been largely free of traffic over the hols too. In general when busier I would not seek to push it here though when they introduced the speed camera at the bottom of the hill I used to try to get photographed by it before I realised 41-42 mph would be needed to trip it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  26. Frenchy
    Member

    Where are the places in the twenty mph zones that folk on here reckon they could get over 20 mph?

    Anywhere that is downhill - Causewayside being a prime example. I cycle down Lasswade Road and Kirk Brae almost every day, and reach 30 mph unless there's a car slowing me down.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. fimm
    Member

    Where are the places in the twenty mph zones that folk on here reckon they could get over 20 mph?

    How about here...

    That's the flat part of the Silverknowes loop - 30mph dual carriageway. I don't know if it will be 20mph. My PB equates to 41km/h or 25 mph. Just to illustrate what one can do... mind you I don't cycle with that level of ferocity anywhere else!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Anywhere that's flat to be honest....

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. earthowned
    Member

    @gembo - top marks for thread drift! No pain in wrist today.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  30. wingpig
    Member

    "Where are the places in the twenty mph zones that folk on here reckon they could get over 20 mph?"

    It used to be possible along Princes Street, but whether it will be when all the buses are going no faster than 20mph rather than nibbling your mudguards when you're going at 25mph and above is another matter.

    Posted 8 years ago #

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