It's called read through, and is something that needs to be engineered out with design. Not just a problem on the roads.
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Today's rubbish cycling
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Posted 8 years ago #
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Same happens at end of West Maitland St junction with Palmerston Place. Lights for right turn towards Torphicen Street positioned in such a way as to be slap bang in the field of view of persons waiting to go straight on.
Cars and bikes forever lurching forward as the lights for right change before they realise mistake and stop. Well, some of them stop, others carry on regardless.
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Mudguarder on the NEPN, who had been racing up behind and took up his position just before I slowed to go through the wiggle by the slope to the school, then asked what I'd said as he raced past and through a very narrow gap between two opposite-direction pedestrians at the start of the WoL viaduct.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@Hopey
I did complain a couple of years ago about the eastbound George St crossing lights (ie the ones outside AB1) after nearly being cleaned off several times by cars behind failing to stop at red lights at the George St/Hanover St junction. To be fair the council did adjust the hoods/blinds over the ped crossing within a day or two to better obscure them.
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Cycled forward almost into a pedestrian who shouted "THE GREEN MAN'S ON”
Well there is “contributory negligence” on the councils parts, proportionally the council would be in part to blame for accidents occurring with these lights, I have nearly ran that light seen a non-local bus nearly running the lights.
I sure the council will have set up a compensation fund for pending accidents dismissed who ever sign this off and withheld part of chief executives pay, and pension of the previous CEO to pay for compensation packages.
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Do we need a 'rubbish traffic light' thread? I always think the lights at the top of Dewar Place are a bit unhelpful, sometimes showing a left filter arrow at a junction where the "straight on" direction initially goes left.
And while we're on the topic of awful traffic lights - can we just turn Tollcross into a big park? Would be far more pleasant I think.
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I have a horrible feeling a went through a red light turning right from Bristo Place to Teviot Place the other day. It was the typical slightly tricky situation of having to get up to speed with the trailerl with lots of shoulder checking etc. and I think may have somehow not stopped once I got out in primary on the right.... totally rubbish cycling.
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"Well there is “contributory negligence” on the councils parts, proportionally the council would be in part to blame for accidents occurring with these lights, I have nearly ran that light seen a non-local bus nearly running the lights"
I've got a paper coming on contributory negligence, but no, this isn't how it works.
Contributory negligence is a mitigating defence of someone who is being sued, and used against the claimant. So say a cyclist is hit by a car after going through a red, but thinking it was green. The cyclist claims against the driver for injuries. The driver could claim contributory negligence against the cyclist for running a red, the cyclist could bring evidence as to how this happened, but that in itself wouldn't bring in 'contributory negligence' of the council.
The cyclist would have to name the council as a co-defendant, with the damages claim indicating that they were partly at fault for the incident (by bringing traffic planning and psychology evidence I suppose). The danger in that, of course, is that if the case against the council is dismissed, the fact they were brought in as a co-defendant shows that you don't believe the driver to be fully at fault.
Contributory negligence is very particular (and I've got the details on why it's unlikely it would ever be used against a driver who didn't wear a helmet, but it's in the paper, and I need to make it read better than this response).
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was being silly as had been discussing that in the other thread , not sure what type of accountability mechanism would be for poor traffic light placing would need to Google it
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Almost EVERY day now, and usually on the NEPN between Ravelston Dykes and Craigleith, some eejit will try overtaking just at the point where there's a cyclist or pedestrian coming the other way and it's TOTALLY unsafe to overtake.
They just can't wait all of 2 or 3 seconds until they have a clear path to overtake.
Today's chump said something which I couldn't make out as he drew alongside me so closely that we were almost rubbing elbows, all because he was attempting to squeeze between me and the guy coming the other way. I told him it was a really stupid point to choose to overtake, but he ignored me. To add insult to near-injury, he was actually riding slower than I was once he overtook, so he actually held me up and I had to resort to sitting up and freewheeling behind him as the path was too busy to overtake him safely.
There seems to be an endemic MGIF attitude amonst many cyclists at the moment, coupled with a total inability to recognise when it's safe to overtake. I moved off the roads and back onto the paths at the start of the year to get away from such behaviour from drivers; now the shared paths are getting as stressful and dangerous as the roads.
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@threefrom leith
Sorry to hear this, the canal towpath has actually been very civilised the last few days, people waiting for each other, people thanking you if you wait for them, people saying good morning to each other, giving each other hi 5s and lo 5s (last bit just me and jdanielp but the rest has been good)
Maybe it is just a phase? Try an earlier or later start if that is possible?
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@gembo It's OK on my morning ride in (as I set off from Leith at 6am, so rarely see more than 1 or 2 other cyclists en-route) - it's just the afternoons that are a problem!
I don't think there's any better time for the homeward ride; Wingpig encounters the same kind of stupidity around the same place, but much later than I do!
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@threefromleith, what time are you heading back?
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@gembo I stopped on the aqueduct six times this evening to let four people with bikes and two people on foot pass by in the other direction. Not one of them said thank you or acknowledged me at all.
(tbh some of this, I think, is people pushing their bikes across who seem to feel they have some kind of moral high ground that doesn't required them to thank people coming the other way who haven't dismounted)
Grumpy commuter.
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@greenroofer, sorry to hear this. Last night a chap pushing a bike and with a dog stopped mid aqueduct to let me pass. All jolly. I then waited for a dad and three weans taking it gingerly which was also cool. Everyone thanking everyone. As the stranger says to the dude in the big Lebowski - some days you eat the bar and Somedays the bar eats you
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One of my pet fantasy schemes is some sort of drawbridge along the full length of the aqueduct that can retract for canal traffic.
Posted 8 years ago # -
@klaxon or bike ferry powered by your own bike?
Posted 8 years ago # -
@gembo I'm probably heading home along there around 4.20pm - 4.30pm'ish.
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This morning a following cyclist decided not to cede to the polite request to dismount at the Riversdale Crescent closure.
As I was remounting back on the 'road' he cycled past me and off the pavement, only for the bump to dislodge and almost lose his his pannier. He gave up trying to stoically cycle on when on the road proper.
i suspect his roadside repair cost him more time than the short walk would have.
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Heart stopping moment where elderly person in front of me nearly got hit by a car at the 'Goldbergs' junction on Lothian Rd.
They had been in front of me for a couple of lights, and going in a straight line made actually quite good progress, I was quite happy to sit behind and not overtake as I wasn't really being held up any.
The problem came when they did the shoulder check to turn right and started wobbling all over the place. The bigger problem was that that shoulder check was from the inside lane, and they're wanting to go right accross two lanes of traffic.
And although the wobbly shoulder check happened; it didn't seem to be sufficient for the rider to register the car that was coming along in the middle lane to go straight ahead.
Cue the elderly cyclist, after doing the ineffective shoulder check, starts to wobble a right turn withouth signalling straight in front of the car going straight ahead at 20mph.
Luckilly the car managed to swerve right and stop to miss the elderly cyclist. The elderly cyclist after breifly putting foot to groung nonchlauntly waved thanks to the driver and continued to wobble to the right.
Sometimes I do wonder if wehn you get to a certain age, you are better off on the bus.
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Impatient whizzbag nudging right up my mudguard on the bit of segregated path between Rankeillor Street and Hermit's Croft yesterday evening. I was expecting him to pass when I stopped at the red light for the ped crossing before the turn, but he held back in order to remain on my mudguard through the houses and into the tunnel, whereupon his continued insistence on mudguarding at increasing speed warranted a request to desist.
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Not quite sure what was bad about this cycling also "the cyclist will not be punished" an inference that may expect the cyclist to be punished, seems a bit odd.
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"an inference that may expect the cyclist to be punished"
Well obviously they were in someone's way...
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The Daily Mail crashed my computer (ha!) but what I could see suggests the motorist was on the wrong side of the road since the arrows are very definitely pointing in the direction the cyclist was going. Still, he WAS riding a bike and that is BAD.
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Hard to say who was at fault, as the collision happened off camera.
It's possible the cyclist crossed the double white lines onto the wrong side and then was struck.
Equally, it's possible the driver crossed the double white lines onto the wrong side and then struck the cyclist.
I note the driver made no attempt to stop.
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"It is not clear what road markings he had been crossing when he was hit, but police say he was not abiding by the law." i.e. breaking the law.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Me this morning.
Cried out to a cyclist in front of me on the Broomhouse Path that I would pass him on his left. After doing so I looked behind to check it was safe to pull back in front of him only to realise that there had been a cyclist behind me who was probably in the process off passing the both of us, when I pulled out in front of her.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Okay, thanks for the clarification edd1e and GF.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Played "traffic lights leapfrog" yesterday with a teenager on a lovely pale blue electric bike. Overtook her several times but every time I stopped at a traffic light she went past me, and the white line.
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