Edinburgh votes NO
Votes %
NO 194,638 61.10%
YES 123,927 38.90%
Electorate 378,012
Turnout 84.40%
Rejected ballots 460
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Debate!
And the result is - No
(60 posts)-
Posted 9 years ago #
-
Highland still to declare - but that's it.
Now a 'Not the WP' thread.
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=13446
(When anyone is ready to say anything.)
Posted 9 years ago # -
Highland turnout 87%
No 53%
Posted 9 years ago # -
More than happy with the result.
Always expected a NO vote but didnt think it would be so comprehensivePosted 9 years ago # -
Phew...
Posted 9 years ago # -
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft
How they voted: 16-17 year-olds 71-29 for YES, 65+ 73-27 for NO. Labour voters 63-37 for NO.
Posted 9 years ago # -
At least my initial cynical response to why the SNP pushed for the juniors to get a vote was vindicated...
Posted 9 years ago # -
"
Wings Over Scotland (@WingsScotland) tweeted at 11:48 AM on Fri, Sep 19, 2014:
Won't ever be able to look at a Scottish pensioner again without thinking "You. You sold us out."
(https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/512916062908997634)
"Hmm, nice sentiment.
Posted 9 years ago # -
@steveo my dept did a lot of focussed research just on the 16 and 17yos and i'm pretty sure the data said they were all voting no. which suggests they changed their position after learning more/as the campaign went along? which might be a good experience in political learning?
I'll try to find the data.
Posted 9 years ago # -
@SRD I'll be happy to be proved wrong with actual research. My gut immediately says its easy to sell dreams to impressionable young people. Its good to get kids interested in politics its bad to use their (potential) naivety to bolster a tenuous position.
Posted 9 years ago # -
@steveo - I hear where you're coming from and you're not alone. I personally think it was a positive thing to do to engage the youth by empowering them. There are some very smart 16-17 year olds out there - they may be naive, but equally there are some very unenlightened yet seasoned voters too. Personally I think it is a positive move to include the youth more - they may be naive, but the nature of democracy is that people vote for all sorts of different reasons, and I'm not sure their reasons as a whole would be any worse than any others.
Posted 9 years ago # -
I agree, I think it was the right thing to do. The cynic in me is still shouting it was done for the wrong reasons! Hopefully SRD will prove me wrong.
Posted 9 years ago # -
well yes - I imagine perhaps your inner cynic may be right - politicians are good at retrofitting justification to their self-interested decisions after all….
Posted 9 years ago # -
I seem to recall reading (way back) that there was a cynical interpretation that the SNP wanted to include 16-17 year olds as they were expected to be pro-Yes.
But when the campaigning got underway they were found to lean towards No so the plan had "backfired".
But the plan forwardfired in the end.
Posted 9 years ago # -
I'm still exhausted having been up all night. Trying to organise my disappointments, especially the ones for friends who've poured themselves into the Yes campaign and who, if it were a contest of passion and creativity, should have had the night of their life rather than watch their goal disappear: 5% here, 6% there. But there shouldn't be anyone who isn't disappointed in some way today. No one has actually won anything here.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Looking into the detail of the Ashcroft poll, it was based of a survey of 2000 people last night.
The 16-17 age group was represented by only 14 individuals...
Posted 9 years ago # -
I am also disappointed that I lost that bet on turnout.
75% turnout in Glasgow and Dundee looks good but not in comparison to the rest of Scotland. Not sure about conclusion to that.
Went into the count at ingilston with a 53:47 prediction for Scotland. And 55:45 for Edinburgh but had to adjust when observed three south west boxes being counted. Then the clacks result set the tone early on. I should have gone home at that point. But waited until Edinburgh result declared. Was daybreak. Work output today not massive.
Posted 9 years ago # -
@cb I fear the wings man has lost the plot. He also blamed women. I do not think he is being ironic?
Posted 9 years ago # -
okay - found this report:
http://www.scotcen.org.uk/media/205540/131129_will-16-and-17-years-olds-make-a-difference.pdf
the full data here: http://aqmen.ac.uk/youngscotsurveyresults
and this news item, which digests it a bit:
http://www.sps.ed.ac.uk/about/news/2013/young_scots_have_their_say_on_the_future_of_scotland
summary:
The results showed that 60.3% intend to vote 'No', wanting to stay in the UK, just 20.9% intend to vote 'Yes', favouring independence, whilst 18.8% remain undecided.
worth noting that the study is of 14-17 yos, so broader than just the ones who voted.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Cool thanks SRD I'll read all of that later.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Salmond to step down:
Posted 9 years ago # -
Seeing a few comments about "the pensioners selling us out"[cf Pete Wishart, who has not impressed TBH], etc etc, but I presume that they are based on opinion polls rather than actual factual how people voted (given it's a secret ballot)?
Posted 9 years ago # -
Yes there is an age demographic in opinion polls suggesting the strong yes vote was in men aged 20-40. Looks like most other groups mixed or the wrong way as it were
As a strategy blaming old people is not a bad one as likely they will be dead soon
We should all hang our heads in shame for exercising our democratic mandate and voting in a way that didn't suit the minority of the country (except in Glasgow, Dundee North Lanarkshire and west Dunbartonshire)
Posted 9 years ago # -
Every poll I saw had the oldest age group as 55+. Now, retirement at 55 has a lot going for it but hardly a pensioner group. But I suppose a group heavily affected by interest rates, annuity and pension returns. Financially savvy people concerned that independence would take away the very benefits that the SNP had used to court them in the first place - council tax freeze, prescriptions and free education - while bringing higher mortgages and higher taxes to pay for all those spending commitments. The irony is that they like the benefits of devolution and hang on to them by rejecting what was supposed to be devolution's logical development.
Posted 9 years ago # -
The last two polls giving 54:46 were fairly accurate.
The turnout was big factor which cannot be ignored - people who have never voted finally exercising their democratic right. Younger people (16-18) also having a say.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Elsewhere I have seen an interesting post which shows that if you calculate what would have happened if all over 65s who voted, voted Yes, it still would not have changed the result.. (Ignoring the stupidity of blaming one particular demographic for exercising their democratic right)
EDIT: misread the post. If you removed the over 65 's from the vote entirely it wouldn't have changed things. The point remains the same though.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Turnout is my point. The new registrants and people who finally felt they had a purpose in voting swamped by people with something to lose. I hope the turnout figures get published by ward.
Posted 9 years ago # -
The a political people I know who never voted in any other election voted No in this referendum, first time voters.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Data says nearly 60% of newly registered voters said they intended to vote Yes. Admittedly some of the shortfall between intentions and turnout is likely to be new registrants.
Posted 9 years ago #
Reply
You must log in to post.
posts
