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Do we need an EU referendum thread? (Brexit thread)
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@chdot
I had to have two goes at reading that letter. Genuinely painful.
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So, the various comparisons usually trotted out for the UK's Brexit deal options are Norway, Switzerland and Canada. But I don't know why people keep on about these. Norway for example is in the EEA has freedom of movement and single market membership. Switzerland is in EFTA (since 1960), has freedom of movement and single market access. Canada is just a trade deal. Nobody mentions Turkey, which applied for EU membership decades ago but so far has not been let in. Turkey is not part of the single market and has no freedom of movement but has a customs union with the EU (since 1995). May's deal is essentially the same as Turkey has, but with the Irish backstop, plus some extra sweeteners on visa free travel and financial services. Turkey +++ if you like. Or Cold Turkey if you prefer.
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Switzerland is in EFTA but outside the EEA with which it has a suite of infernally complex agreements.
The whole thing is so complicated I keep losing track. Good Venn diagram here.
The UK of GB&NI is on the way to creating a new space on that chart somewhere between a BDSM dungeon and Mauritania.
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Good diagram.
I see May's agreement placing us in-between Turkey and Switzerland:
- Customs Union (red line on chart)
- Possible semi-detached relationship with EFTA (add dotted teal line on chart)Only thing missing there is the Common Travel Area between UK & Eire. (Add a purple ellipse looping UK & Eire together on chart)
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Isle of Man and Channel Isles also in the CTA?
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Seeing as I am procrastinating to a deadline today, I knocked this post-Brexit version up in Photoshop...
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@crowriver
Cannae see it. Remember that Northern Ireland will need its own circle now.
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Oh you may notice I predicted UK's GDP to shrink to the size of Italy's by 2021.....mebbes aye, mebbes naw.
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From the article (my bold):
"Most fishing rights in the UK are distributed by fixed quota allocations (FQAs). An FQA gives the holder the right to land a certain share of the UK’s “total allowable catch” (TAC) of a particular stock. The TAC for each stock varies from year to year, based on scientific advice and negotiations in Brussels. There is an active market in the trading and leasing of FQAs."
I suppose monopolies are what happen when you leave things to the market. I do recall much talk of "industry consolidation" over the last 30 years. Without regulation, then such "consolidation" will end up like this.
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This week we’re seeing the end of three delusions within the Conservative party. The first is that Theresa May would deliver the hard Brexit demanded by MPs in the European Research Group, led by Jacob Rees-Mogg. The second is that they would mount a successful challenge to overthrow her. The third – and most significant – is that the Tory party might risk leaving the EU without a deal.
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A Queen's Counsel writing in a Conservative-leaning magazine;
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in deutschland today i was speaking with a russian geezer from st petersburg who claimed categorically that there is a thone being prepared in st giles which is ready to re-establish the scots jacobite regal claim in 2021
he works for big pharma in dortmund and the info comes straight from the rockefellers
and england won't be leaving the eu beforehand either
so there we are, you can bet the mortgage on that
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Great news. Anyone know who the Young, Young Pretender is these days? There must be someone reckons they've got a claim to the various thrones.
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60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories. My barber thinks that Finland doesn't exist. The problem with conspiracy theories is that to believe just one is to join a very broad and troubling church. Francis Wheen is damning in his view of them. He believes they are all harmful (How Mumbo Jumbo Conquered the World).
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@crowriver - great graphic btw!
Bella has amusing new words for 2018.
I now know what this is called. ¯\(ツ)/¯https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2018/11/23/2018-a-dictionary/
Not totally off topic. Just to pass time as the Brexit deal all falls into place (and Indyref 2 gets closer?).Fully expect noises from Brussels to big up the deal. I 'bet' some EU operative will say it's a great deal for Scotland. Obviously a good outcome for NI (is not total disaster). Gibraltar likes it too - according to state broadcaster. Madrid claims victory too. A real win-win (not).
DUP / ERG / SNP could be coralled into a communal sin bin - media will side with big business on this ofc course. They are hungry to lock this deal down but will t he public be fooled?Posted 6 years ago # -
My barber thinks that Finland doesn't exist.
To be clear; they believe it doesn't exist or don't believe it does exist?
I still retain a degree of skepticism around the existence of Finland because I haven't yet seen it. I do know people who claim to have been there but I am an empiricist.
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@iwrats - I believe there are flights to the top bit that are popular around this time of year.
Are we saying Finland is the same as St. Nicholas?
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To be perfectly clear: I have never seen an atom and so doubt their existence and yet I have said and written words about atoms and made predictions predicated on their existence.
Gave the Earl of Cromarty a lift to the station on Friday. He exists. Existed. At the time.
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Dogger Forth Cromarty? That boy?
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Post 1971. Next few years are going to make 1970's look like a birthday party.
Edit: ninja'd by gembo (now post 1972)
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Would it be true to say the left believe nothing, the right everything?
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Would it be true to say the left believe nothing, the right everything?
I don't believe that, anyway.
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Brexit isn’t ‘neatly’ L/R.
‘Belief’ is part of the problem.
There are those who ‘believe’ they could get a better deal.
Some people ‘believe’ that everything is gonna be alright, yeah. (No-one knows - either way.)
A remarkable number of politicians (inc TMay) ‘believe’ they know why people voted leave - and of course ‘believe’ that people weren’t mislead by slogans on a bus (or anything else).
Some of those politicians now ‘believe’ that ‘this is not the Brexit people voted for’, so promises and predictions no longer apply.
I don’t know what TMay ‘believes’ but (unless there is a ‘no deal Brexit’) she’s exaggerating with the claim we are ‘leaving the EU on March 29th’.
Today seems like an anticlimax, but it’s far from over.
I ‘believe’ that (most) things won’t be as bad as some people predict.
I confidently predict there will be no ‘sunny upsides’ and great new trade deals anytime soon (however long ‘transition’ actually takes).
I have no idea how long it will be before there is any sort of ‘normality’ where important things get a look in - Climate Chaos, Unversal Income, and the possibility that the future doesn’t ‘depend’ on individually owned 4 wheeled vehicles. (I don’t care how they are powered.)
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Read this letter and know what it is to eat a meal prepared from boiled grave clothes.
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Party line.
Remains to be seen whether it will be toed or crossed.
(Like the binary options!)
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David Mundell has warned that a rejection of Theresa May’s Brexit deal threatens “chaos or more division”.
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https://www.scotsman.com/news/david-mundell-back-theresa-may-s-brexit-deal-or-face-chaos-1-4834827
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Frenchy: "I don't believe that, anyway."
A leftie, I knew it.
I think it's been said before:
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."Posted 6 years ago # -
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.”Not sure I believe that is particularly helpful in any context.
Related to this thread “passionate intensity” probably applies to IDS, Boris and Nigel, so it’s hard to see how this fits the L/R suggestion in your previous post.
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