CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
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CCE is 15years old!
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So - Design it and They Will Build, Build it and They Will Come.
There's certainly enough cycling knowledge in Edinburgh to put together a master plan for Edinburgh and the Lothians. There are also enough activists in the various groups to campaign on it. How could we proceed with this? i.e. agree a plan and then start pressing the powers that be.
Would POP be able to get this idea around to cycling groups/ activists in other regions?
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Motorists face being hit with £20 a day fines to drive in the city centre unless their vehicles have the cleanest engines under plans for the first low emission zone in the Capital.
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Aberdeen and Dundee to follow two years later. While the exact location of the city centre is not yet known, the charge would be ten times the £2 a day congestion charge proposed for Edinburgh 15 years ago which planned a zone around the city centre stretching from Stockbridge to Newington.
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Could be a useful funding source...
The key thing is that cycling routes should be safe, direct, and convenient, sadly the current ATAP is for routes that are anything but.
The obvious route south from Princes Street is a separated cycle lane along Lothian Road, instead the funding bid is to go up the Mound! Yeah, that is the obvious route for families riding with kids.
"The key thing is that cycling routes should be safe, direct, and convenient, sadly the current ATAP is for routes that are anything but."
Perhaps now is the time to call for/expect a complete reappraisal of the ATAP intentions/process.
Once it was almost radical, now it may be about to be left behind by other Scottish cities (Glasgow at least).
Also this might to help to encourage people to want/expect better conditions for cycling -
"Shutting the city centre (regularly) - who wants to try?"
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18096
Imagine ALL Scottish cities closing their city centres on a Sunday - at least once a year!
Um, officially there are only 7.
Maybe get this org involved ASAP.
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The Scottish Cities Alliance is the unique collaboration of Scotland’s seven cities – Aberdeen, Dundee, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness, Perth and Stirling – and the Scottish Government working together to promote the country’s great economic potential.
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I think the ATAP does need a refresh. It is based on the Quiet Routes plan which isn't necessarily the right choice anymore.
One bit of data that would be useful to analyse is the commuting data in the 2011 consensus.
http://scotlandcommute.datashine.org.uk
Which can be filtered to see where we have large volumes of car based commuting to adjacent areas - ideal targets for switching to active travel.
"which isn't necessarily the right choice anymore"
Perhaps an understatement(?)
New circumstances, new (CEC) politicians, new Czar.
Compile the Ed bit of this and meet.
Don't forget the grand boulevards of Calders, Ferry and Pennywell Roads plus the magnificent Silverknowes/Muirhouse Parkway.
Coincidentally in parts of the city without much cycling (see previous threads).
Very useful data source, @HankChief. I'll look more closely later, but the thing that immediately stood out is the large number of people driving from Corstorphine to South Gyle.
Can't figure out which point includes the ERI, either.
Stirling?: Bannockburn in the south east; St Ninians; then into the Centre via St Ninians Roan. Then: The railway station; Riverside; The Raploch; Craigforth/Dobbies
Um, officially there are only 7.
That's just, like, your opinion, man.
Maybe get this org involved ASAP.
Worth a try.
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Nicola Sturgeon admitted plans to ban some older high-polluting cars could prove unpopular but said it had to be done.
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Real possibilities here for serious mode shift to bikes (inc electric) - will need better infrastructure.
Woah - The Trondheim ski-tow is a liability! plus of course it is only any used for solo bikes ridden by fairly fit people with 2 normally functioning legs.
20 years ago Bristol were getting all enthused about Park Street and Edinburgh slightly interested for Dundas Street. It was noted that as well as the disruptive costs of digging up roads and installing, there would be a maintenance costs of cleaning out the slots etc with an indicative figure of £1000/metre/year
For the Bristol Park Street budget I worked out that for around a fifth of the cost, 2 secondhand totally low floor minibuses could be purchased and set-up to operate a shuttle service as a roll-on roll-off facility for all who might struggle going up AND coming down the hill (wheelchair users especially). The service could have a nominal fare paid off-bus, to avoid boarding delays, or be free to use - with the potnetial for the service to be branded (for Dundas Street perhaps Standard Life/Aberdeen Asset Management?)
The nice additional details are that there would be no interrupted operation of the cable running to handle road crossings/traffic signals and the service could start immediately with no major road works. A fairly simple route with a roundabout at each end (Cannonmills & George Street), and the option to have all electric vehicles
Ro-Ro bike buses would have been an even better solition than the Tunnel Bike Bus that Merseyrail operated when the Liverpool City Loop was closed for rebuilding (after 40 years), and might even have a place at other locations.
The Forth and Tay Bridges are also challenging for the non committed and the RoRo option is one possibility, but the frequency of regular coach services (with hold space) and buses wth off-peak space in the saloon. Funding might support this as a trial to establish such measures as demand, operating costs of all types (financial, time, vehicle numbers and designs..) and from that refine the delivery to a sustainable one.
IWRATS has promoted Dumfries to city status (the Civic Association did apparently apply for it to become a city for the Jubilee a few years ago but as they had neglected to consult the coonsil first their application was ruled invalid). Although it clearly isn't a city, leaving it out would mean nothing at all in the southern belt, unless we annex Berwick upon Tweed, and obviously as I live in the area I'd be keen for it to get whatever cycling infra is going
Edited to add: just in case it gets any traction, I suggest forking 'annexing Berwick upon Tweed' into its own thread
On the activists in other cities point - Walk, Cycle, Vote is considering how it can build capacity for local campaign groups, assuming we have enough capacity ourselves. POP did spawn a POP Inverness this year and there is also POP Aberdeen, so hopefully some movement there
"I suggest forking 'annexing Berwick upon Tweed' into its own thread"
Careful...
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Berwick-upon-Tweed, England's most northerly town, is technically at war with Russia.
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"On the activists in other cities point - Walk, Cycle, Vote is considering how it can build capacity for local campaign groups"
GREAT idea
"assuming we have enough capacity ourselves"
Ought to be possible to get some funding(?)
You might manage to get Dumfries promoted to City State.
Berwick isn't a city either. Let's leave annexation till it is.
For people interested in the nuts and bolts of cycling infrastructure and how to apply it to the UK, I do recommend the Cycling Embassy of Great Britain. And if I can do a little cross-thread plugging, it will be coming to Glasgow on the weekend of the 16th September http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=18101
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I know this is even more of a minority sport than CCE, but fruits of this thread should be added.
Any volunteers?.
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Cyclescape is an online campaigning toolkit for cycle campaign groups around the UK
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"Don't forget the grand boulevards of Calder, Ferry and Pennywell Roads plus the magnificent Silverknowes/Muirhouse Parkway."
Aargh ANOTHER missed opportunity -
Drove through Dundee yesterday.
The Kingsway road is sooooooooo wide.
Marketgait and so much else too
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/A991,+Dundee+DD1/@56.4632782,-2.9795461,3a,71.2y,359.46h,88.09t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sUvFrOLGkVSPVLLglBW7N_w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x48865cc139dee3c9:0x451f28777b810f75?hl=en-gb
Road systems like this were once 'the future' (see Calder Road etc.)
Dual carriageways from narrow roads to narrow roads, un-cycle/pedestrian/environment friendly and of virtually no real benefit to drivers.
UK not ready to reallocate this much roadspace.
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